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Want to install Fan and light control from one switch.

In my studio I have a single switch that turns on three ceiling fans w/lights. I would like to install a switch that will control the fan speed and the lights. Not worried about controlling each one separately, want to control them as if they are one fan and one light kit.  Do I need a special switch to control them as one unit? Is it difficult to install? What are the things that I should be aware of?

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  • mycohiba Sep 26, 2008

     You explained it well.


    A paired dimmer switch is what I need and the 3 wire is already there.


    Thank you!

  • mycohiba Sep 27, 2008

    Thank you, picked up a Lutron Electronics
    Maestro Single-Pole Fan Control and Digital Dimmer tonight. Directions look easy enough, will install tomorrow.




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'define control'

anyway, that all the lights work together makes it simpler

most fanlights, updated by homeowners replace a lamp only unit, with on/off provided at the switch, and cable pulls on the unit to change speed direction of the fan

my favorite is paired dimmer switches, giving control separately of light and fan speed, fan direction still changes on the pull switch, requires 3 wires in the switch box, (power and 2 switched lines), to the lamp connector and fan motor connector, any sparky can pull the extra line with fishtape along the existing cable run. easy peasey.
Really good electricians pull three wire to light circuits, when the house is built or reno-ed. but you know how oftern that is gonna happen, 3 wire costs 3c more per foot, if there is 3 wire in the switch box -your home and hosed

or just for speed/dimmer control a dimmer switch can replace the existing single switch. but you still have to pull the cords to start the fans

its easy, with the caveat that you may kill yourself, or someone else, or burn the house down, if you dont do it right

Posted on Sep 26, 2008

  • AlmostBob
    AlmostBob Sep 27, 2008

    This is a twin dimmer brand and model that fits in a single gang box, so there is no need to cut the wall and install a 2 gang device box, likely every manufacturer has one simliar, available at most elect supply stores.

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