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New bathrooms suite installed problem with siamp floating valve its taking over 5mins to refill after flushing toilet

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Check the water valve to see if its opened all the way!

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Water keeps filling in toliet even after full


hi Patricia.
Overview Toilets haven't changed much in the last 80 years. After a flush, water still fills a tank, lifting a float that shuts off the water when it reaches a certain level. A lever still opens a flapper to cause the flush, falling back into place when the water level drops. So it's no surprise (nor any consolation) that we face the same flush problems today that our grandparents did. Sometimes the flush is too wimpy, sometimes the toilet keeps running, and sometimes the bowl doesn't refill.
Our ace plumbing consultant has a simple four-step strategy to solve 95 percent of these problems. You can complete the first three steps in five minutes. That'll solve most problems. The fourth step is usually easy too, but not always. More on this later. These steps work for most toilets but not for pressure-assist models.
Check the fill tube

Overflow tube problem

Push the fill tube firmly onto the fill valve. Make sure the fill tube sends water into the overflow tube.Remove the tank lid and find the fill tube. It's a small flexible tube that runs from the fill valve to the overflow tube. While the tank refills, this tube squirts enough water down the overflow tube to refill the bowl after the completed flush. If this tube falls off or the water stream misses the overflow tube, the bowl won't fill and your next flush will be wimpy (that is, won't develop a strong siphon). Reattach the fill tube and make sure it perches about 1 in. above the rim of the overflow tube. Flush the toilet and watch the water stream to make sure it goes down the overflow tube.
Adjust the fill height

Check the float

Adjust the float to set the water level. Pinch the clip and slide the float up or down on the rod. Keep adjusting the float until the water shuts off at the proper level.The water level in the tank is controlled by an adjustable float. A float that's set too low produces a weak flush; if it's set too high, water spills into the overflow tube and the fill valve won't shut off. The toilet keeps running. Look for the fill level mark on the inside back of the tank and mark it on the overflow tube so you can see it more easily. If you can't find it, measure down about 1 in. on the overflow tube and make a mark. Then flush the toilet and see if the water reaches and stops at that mark. If not and the toilet keeps running, adjust the float up or down. If you have an old toilet, you'll have to bend the brass rod that connects to the float ball to make adjustments. But with newer toilets you usually turn a screw or slide a clip along a rod. Flush the toilet after each adjustment.
Also make sure that the water level is at least an inch below the C-L (critical level) marked on the fill valve. You can adjust the height of many valves to raise or lower the C-L.
Occasionally the fill valve simply won't shut off, which means that it's defective. If so, turn the water supply off at the shutoff under the tank. Buy a replacement valve (sold at hardware stores and home centers). You don't have to match the old one; many, like the one shown, fit most toilets. It's a 15-minute change-out.
Adjust the flush handle/flapper chain

Flapper chain fix

Adjust the chain to leave a little slack with the flapper closed. Then cut off the excess, leaving about an inch.A chain that's too short or tangled won't allow the flapper to close and water will continue to leak into the bowl. This causes the fill valve to cycle on and off to refill the tank. A chain that's too long, or a flush rod that hits the the tank lid, won't open the flapper wide enough to stay open for the full flush. You'll find yourself having to hold the lever to complete a good flush.
To avoid these problems, adjust the linkage in the chain to leave only a slight bit of slack when closed. Cut the chain at the rod to leave only about an inch extra to reduce the potential for tangles. Then put the tank lid back on and make sure the flush rod doesn't strike the lid when you press the lever. If it does, bend it down slightly and readjust the chain.
Replace the flapper

Change the flapper

Unsnap the old flapper and take it with you to the store to find an exact replacement. In addition to the closest replacement, pick up a "universal" type.If you've completed the first three steps and your toilet keeps running, chances are you have a worn-out flapper. Turn off the water, remove the old flapper and take it to the store to find an exact replacement. (Hardware stores often carry a wide variety.) Most flappers snap over ears on the overflow tube. Others have a ring that slips over the tube.
Now here's the catch. You may not find an exact match. The range of flapper styles has mushroomed over the last 15 years, and you may find 15 to 20 flapper options on the store shelf. Some packages include specific brand and model information (so note yours before you leave home). Others have a "universal" label. If you can't find an exact replacement, try the closest one and pick up a universal type as well. They're cheap, and the extra one just might save you a second trip to the store! (Avoid the "adjustable" types unless you're replacing an adjustable one.)
Install the new flapper and make sure it opens and closes freely. Then test it. If the toilet keeps running or runs intermittently, you're not getting a good seal. Try a different flapper if the toilet won't stop running.
If you just can't find a flapper that seals, consider replacing the entire overflow tube/flapper. On most toilets (two-piece), this means removing the tank. It's not difficult and you don't need special tools. It'll take you about an hour, and you'll avoid that expensive plumber service call.
if you go to this link it will show you step by step on how to fix it. How to Stop Running Toilet Family Handyman

Nov 27, 2017 | Home

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How to fix a refill valve


  • Brass-style toilet refill valves can often be repaired. To take a valve apart, remove the lever's screws. This allows you to lift out the float arm and valve plunger. Check the flat rubber washer on the end of the plunger. If it's worn, you can pull it out with pliers and either turn it around or replace it. This procedure usually corrects an overfilling problem. Next, reassemble the valve. If the tank continues to overfill, check to make sure the operating lever at the end of the float arm is functioning properly.

  • New refill valve. To replace the entire refill valve assembly, first turn off the water supply. The tank should then be flushed and sponged out, as detailed previously. Remove the inlet nut and riser tube from the bottom of the refill valve beneath the tank. Hold the refill valve inside the tank with a padded locking plier/wrench to keep it from turning, and remove the nut beneath the tank. With the nut off, the refill valve assembly can be lifted out and a new one inserted in its place. Follow the exact instructions included with the unit you purchase.

  • Finally, reconnect the riser tube and turn the water on. The tank should fill, allowing you to adjust the water level according to the instructions that were included with the valve.

  • Anti-siphon valves. The best refill valves offer anti-siphon protection. In fact, this may be a requirement. This protection prevents back siphonage of toilet tank water into your home's potable water supply system if a vacuum occurs in the toilet's water supply system. Whether or not this is a code requirement, the anti-siphon valve is a good idea to protect your family and public health.

on Jan 16, 2010 | Plumbing

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Leaky Seal


By leaking do you mean onto the bathroom floor, or is water escaping out the flush valve (the part that the Hydroright is seated in) into the toilet bowl. If the former 1) check toilet tank mounting bolts/gaskets for deterioration or looseness. These are usually 5/16"x3" brass bolts with rubber, plastic, and metal washers with a nut. They can be seen protruding through bottom of tank. 2) check flush valve and rubber gasket between tank and bowl. The flush valve is the one that the refill tube goes into and the hydroright seats into.
If you are only leaking water into bowl I would suggest the blue dome gasket ( part of Hydroright kit) is not properly seated properly into flushvalve, and you may have to re-install hydroright (the instructions explain how to remove and re-install) . I broke my existing/old flush valve at the base when trying to install my Hydroright so maybe it was fortuitous that it broke and I had to install a new one. Hope this helps.

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300. Why does it occasionally get stuck in the up position or fails to refill tank completely?


It has been my experience that they are reliable. Fluidmaster instructions say to flush the valve (not the toilet) after installation to purge debris. It may be necessary to do this again. Also check for interference with the refill tubing. The float and linkage should be able to move freely.

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Dual flush toilet takes a long time to refill after flushing


Empty tank and remove the unit where the water comes in. Now look inside the bottom of the unit. Is there a rubber piece in there? Get a pair of pliars and pull it out.It's restricting the re-fill flow. I had the same problem and did this to two of my toilets and now they re-fill in just seconds. Don't know why they even put those in there.

Dec 30, 2011 | Toto Home

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We have installed an american standard duel flush toilet that uses a fluidmaster valve. Problem! The refill tube is mounted on a float attached to the overflow pipe. When the toilet is flushed the nozzle...


The overflow pipe should be attached to a small clip that holds it in position over the over flow pipe. If it is loose or attached to the outside it will do what yours is doing.

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My Crane Toilet is several years old. When the tank is refilling following a flush, water sprays in front of the white towwer with some force. Sometimes the water level gets higher than the overflow...


On a toilet that old I would recommend that you change the flush valve and float assembly to a newer version. One I particullarly like is the 400A Fluidmaster.It is simply to install and incorporates the flush valve and float valve into one unit.
They are simple to install as long as you can shut the water supply off. The instructions are printed on the inside of the box so just follow them closely. The only thing I add to there instructions is to use a small amount of silicone caulk around both sides of rubber washer that goes on the base of the valve.Adjust height on valve before you install it to get it close. The final float level can be set with spring clip on float rod.
I have been useing these valves for many years and they will work on most toilets and they are almost maintainance free.Added plus they are inexpensive. Thank you.

Feb 21, 2011 | Crane Plumbing Home

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I have a toto toilet that doesn't start to refill until a couple of minutes after I flush. Any ideas. Thanks.


Several ideas. Start to fill? Have you looked inside the tank to see what's going on? If it just filling very slowly, then you most likely have some calcuim build up inside your flush valve blocking some flow, if this is the case you will have to clean the flush valve. If your flush valve is staying up and the toilet is "running" unitil the float drops. The float (either the arm ballcock style, or newer fluidmaster) is rubbing on either the flush lever or side of the tank, and taking longer to drop to let the water start flowing. I

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Toilet flush valve is hard to flush....too much suction. Sometimes takes two hands to push the handle.


Hi, you need new Mansfield 210/211 flush valves. They can be found on amazon.. here: Amazon com Mansfield 210 211 seal. I hope this helped you. Cheers

Jun 27, 2010 | Mansfield Plumbing Products Mansfield...

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When I flush the toilet does flush fine but it makes a gasping sound as it tries to refill the tank. Eventually (after 5 minutes) the tank fills and the gasping stops.


new quality flush valves are inexpensive. suggest you buy a new one at a big box store (Lowe's e.g.) . easy to install, just follow the directions.....a Fluid Master or Gorkie should work fine...$25 or less, probably less.....

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