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Gel Dishwasher Detergent

Allbrands does not recommend gel detergents
Gels typically contain bleach - primarily chlorine bleach - which causes rubber seals to break down and leak.

  1. Gels often leave a whitish or cloudy film on glassware.
  2. Gels tend to stick to the inside surface of the dishwasher, never really being rinsed off.
  3. Gels are intentionally thick so that they stick inside the soap cup and don't run immediately into the bottom of the dishwasher. Therefore, they leave a sticky residue inside the soap dispenser, actually cause it to clog and not open during the timed sequence.
  4. Gels are not effective in hard water - and almost always leave spots.

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Hi, Our VFW post bought a used Hobart commercial dishwasher, model # wmp-es2 serial # 14054-302.We use the commercial soap,sanitizer, and rinse aid. The problem is,after washing the glasses they look sparkling clean. The minute we hang them up, they get all cloudy looking.I'm wondering if perhaps the water temperature is to hot? I did read some of the problems/solutions on this site.Is it also possible that ours should be hooked up to cold water and not hot? Thank you for your quick responce Cherie Brigham


Hi,

Check that the dishwasher is getting hot by feeling the temperature of the door - also at the end of the cycle when you open the door there should be lots of steam. If the machine is heating the water then increase the salt delivery a little - or even try a more expensive detergent to see if it makes any difference.

Temperature-



The single most important factor in getting good results is HOT WATER!!
The water must be at least 130o to work effectively. This is documented by the major manufacturers of detergents, such as Proctor & Gamble. Otherwise, greasy films will occur, along with soap residues left on glassware, etc. Use a candy thermometer in a glass under the running hot water tap on your sink to measure the incoming water temp. In general, it is best to always turn on the hot water at the kitchen sink for at least one minute to allow the actual hot water to flow. If not, the first couple of wash cycles will have cold water in the tub, and this wastes time, energy and soap. Using the delay cycle is never a good idea, since you will be assured of a cold fill the first few cycles.


Water Hardness-

Most areas have fairly hard water, which affects the cleaning properties of detergents. Hard water is water showing above 7 grains of hardness. Our Austin customers have, for example, 11-20 gr. hardness in many areas, mainly due to the limestone aquifer which supplies the vicinity. For them, I recommend filling both detergent cups full, plus using a rinse aid. If you don't know how hard your water actually is, we have a solution.



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You can determine the cause of cloudy glassware by soaking a glass in vinegar for 5 minutes. If the cloudiness is removed it is a hard water deposit and more detergent is likely needed. If the cloudiness is not removed it is a permanent condition known as etching. In this situation, use less detergent and stop pre-washing. In actuality, dishwashing detergent needs a bit of soil to work on, otherwise it will tend to foam up.

Maintenance Techniques-

Every two months, run the unit with a quart of white vinegar added to the tank (no dishes or detergent for this!). This removes any deposits left behind in the tub, and actually helps keep the drain clear! Do this mainly on units with plastic tubs, since they are porous, and will absorb not only grease, but residue from the detergent.

Use a rinse-aid, such as Jet-Dry, in your dishwasher, unless you have a water softener. In this case, do NOT use a rinse aid, and reduce your powder detergent to one teaspoonful per grain of water hardness. We recommend the solid form of the Jet-Dry, not the liquid. For one thing, the liquid is harder to deal with than checking a hanging basket visually. Also, the liquid dispenser only injects a couple of drops of liquid into the unit at the end of the wash cycle. This does not take into account varying degrees of water hardness in different areas. The solid version is always working right thru the wash and rinse cycles. Hang it in the left front corner of the upper rack for the best distribution.





Detergents- Gel or Powder?


Gel detergents are not the best solution for your dishwashing . They create more problems than they resolve. A few examples include:


Gels contain chlorine bleach (dissolves rubber seals)

Gels tend to cloud glassware, leaving a whitish film.

Gels never really rinse off of interior tub or from sump area.

Gels clog the detergent dispenser, making it release late or not at all. This causes door streaking by the chemicals.

Gels don't work well in hard water, they leave spots


Always use powdered detergent or tablets, and make sure that your water temperature is at least 125-130o to the dishwasher! It makes a world of difference in the final results.

The problem is usually the water not being hot enough and the detergent. need to try buying small containers of different detergents and see with works best with your water and machine. hard water and the wrong detergent causes this problem.Perhaps you changed detergent lately or they changed the formula of your detergent. Or your machine is not heating the water properly any more. Like a failing heating element.

Let me know,if needed further assistance.

Hope i helped you.

Thanks for using ' Fixya ' and have a nice day!!

Jun 13, 2011 | Hobart Dishwashers

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I do most of my shopping online and liquid bleach sometimes doesn't ship without breaking. Is it OK to use dry or powder bleach? I have the whirlpool cabrio top load large capacity model.


It should be okay to use dry bleach, if you follow the instructions on the bleach. Some bleaches require dissolving in water first, others can be used dry.

May 13, 2011 | Whirlpool Cabrio WTW6600SBT Top Load...

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washer has serious stink. It is a top loader and I do not see a lint trap.


Washer smells foul...this is often a build up of soap, water, too many chemicals and this has left a residue, and the mildew moves right in and it stinks. This builds up is often on the inside of the outer tank - picture help
Many times that this happens is when people use to much soap and then they only do laundry once a week.
One good solution to help your odor problem...it works well...in a top loader I recommend 2 cups of cascade and 2 cups of bleach, fill your machine with hot water and let it agitate. At the end of the agitation/wash cycle, let the machine sit and soak for about 10-15 minutes to work on your scum, then close the lid and let it complete. Next load run whites to be safe all bleach is out. This should help.
On some really bad odor problems, you may have to remove the inner basket to scrap off the build up from the inside of the outer tank. You may will need special tools to remove the inner basket. 
Fabric softener is also nasty for building up inside and under the agitator
It is recommended to use half to a quarter of the detergent that the package  recommends.
Other things that may help, leave the washer lid open between laundry days. Never cover your washing machine with those plastic covers. 
 
ODORS IN DUET HE3 & HE4 WASHERS CLEAN OUT PROCEDURE
NOTE: Make sure that you read these instructions completely before beginning the clean out process.
1. Open the washer door and remove any clothing or items from the washer.
2. Inspect the gray colored seal/bellow between the door opening and the basket for stained areas. Pull back the seal/bellow to inspect areas under the seal/bellow.
3. If stained areas are found, wipe down these areas of the bellows using the following procedure:
a) Mix a dilute solution of liquid chlorine bleach and water (3/4-cup bleach in
1 gallon of warm tap water).
b) Wipe the seal/bellow area with the dilute solution.
c) Let stand 5 minutes.
d) Wipe down area thoroughly with a dry cloth and let the washer interior air dry.
e) Please note:
- Do not use bleach at full strength for cleaning surfaces.
- The use of rubber gloves is recommended when cleaning for prolonged periods.
4. To begin the clean out cycle, do the following:
a) Open the washer door and remove any clothing or items from the washer.
b) Be sure door is closed.
c) Open the dispenser drawer and remove the detergent divider from the main wash detergent compartment. See the Use and Care Guide for instructions. No additives will be added at this time. You will be required to add them at a later step.
- For Whirlpool Duet, select the �Power� button.
- For Kenmore Elite HE products, move to the next step.
d) Select the �Normal� wash cycle.
e) Select the hottest wash water temperature available, (not all temperatures will be available).
f) Select the highest spin speed available.
g) Select the additional or 2nd Rinse option (if available).
h) Press and hold the �Start� key for 2 seconds. The door will lock and filling will begin. NOTE: The water will dispense for a moment, then the door will unlock and re-lock and the cycle will continue.
i) Once the filling has begun again, open the dispenser drawer and immediately add 1 cup liquid chlorine bleach to the main wash detergent compartment.
The liquid chlorine bleach should immediately flow through the dispenser.
NOTE: Do not add any detergent to this clean out cycle. Use of more than 1 cup of bleach per month will cause product damage over time. Addition of bleach without immediately starting the cycle will cause product damage over time.

May 07, 2009 | Maytag Legacy Series Top Load Washer

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musty smell in drum of washer


Run a short cycle with nothing except Clorox and water. This will kill the mold growing in the machine. When not in use, keep the lid open.

May 03, 2009 | GE WSXH208A Front Load Washer

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