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NOT CHARGING CORRECTLY. NEW ALT, BATTERY. CODE SAYING VOLTAGE REGULATOR. THEIR IS NONE, IT'S PART OF THE PCM FROM I'M READING IN THE HAYNES MANUAL

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What lights turn on ?

I have the same problen on my 93 gc. Could this cause OD not to work ? Oh god my heep .

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You are misunderstanding the manual. There is a voltage regulator and it is part of the engine computer. When the regulator goes bad, you need to replace the computer. Its a really bad design but that's the way it is!!! There is a "work around" involving bypassing the computer and installing an external regulator but it turns the light on and won't pass inspection that way.

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does the dash have the Idiotttt lap called charge
and if burned out many cars then ,made the boot trap current dead in the alternator making the alternator regulator inside dead.
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Principles of Operation
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The PCM turns the charging system warning indicator off after the engine is started and illuminates it under fault conditions (when the generator is not generating the correct amount of current with the engine running). The charging system warning indicator is also illuminated by the PCM whenever the key is ON with the engine OFF.
This is a System 4 charging system, which uses the GEN MON and GEN COM lines to control and monitor the charging system through the PCM. System 4 charging systems are virtually identical in design and therefore, share the same diagnostics. The circuit numbers and colors may be different, but the functions are the same.
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or the FSM.

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the diagnosis is not easy , i recommend, the FSM
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top fail reasons.
1: bad fuses.
2: bad wiring and connections. (see schematic)
3: bad battery (not you) (open cells cause REG to shut down. )
4: bad ALT. (i say a fella change alt 5 times, and skipped #2)
5: bad PCM. (last, , show me that tests, in FSM)

all that and tons more in the FSM. read it.


or log in to alldata.com and read the Charging pages.
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