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I recently purchased a 2009 Kawasaki Concours 1400 ABS with 4600 miles. The first thing I did was change the tires and oil. I went with 20w50 full synthetic as temps here in Las Vegas will be over 100 all summer. I began to notice some engine noise on morning startups. A knock or rap for a second or two then it goes away. I changed oil to 10w40 full syn thinking maybe the oil is too thick to circulate quick enough on cold startups. No change. The service mgr. at another Kawi dealer said get rid of the synthetic oil and go to Kawi premium 20w50. He was adamant the C14 engine does NOT like synthetic oil. Is he correct? Should I worry?

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  • douglasweiss May 27, 2011

    thats it? That's your EXPERT advise. Pardon me but not worth the $12 I paid. This is nothing more than an amateur forum response. I"m looking for someone who knows what the f... He is talking about. What a scam.

  • douglasweiss May 27, 2011

    I need someone that works on Kawasaki engines for a living to answer my original question. I am not looking for opinions I want facts from someone who knows this situation and can advise.

  • douglasweiss May 27, 2011

    the filter is not in a direct line from the sump, so even if the filter is drained the oil should go directly to the engine first. The filter is a Kawi service part Don't know who manufactures them but I would imagine they are all built to speck.

  • douglasweiss May 27, 2011

    On advice from the Kawi service manager I drained the Amsoil 10w40 syn oil from the bike and replaced with Kawi premium 20w50 and a new filter. I was very sceptical about synthetic oil causing the noise at startup as I have been using Mobile One in all my bikes and autos for years. I started up the Concours 1400 this morning and no noise. I am in shock that the engine noise was actually somehow related to the synthetic oil and the service manager was indeed correct. No one has yet identified what the noise was, which sounded to me like a dry connecting rod bearing rap. Oh well another unsolved mystery with at least a happy ending.

  • douglasweiss May 29, 2011

    I traded it on a new one. Thanks

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I have never in my day heard this about a bike and i have seen my share, you do sound right about the cold starts. this is what i would do, get the cheap oil and run it for about 1500 miles then change it out along with the filter. i would use amsoil as it's the best i have ever used. make sure you use a motorcycle oil because there is a big difference between car and bike oils.
the cheap oil is help flush out old oils and break in slivers. alot of people might think this is over kill, when i break in a motor i use cheap oil and change it every 500 miles till i hit the 5000 mark then i go with amsoil or a full synthetic. The cheap oil is just to keep the price down because of how offten the oil is getting changed and it's changed so much to keep the metal shivers out while everything is wearing together.try the flush oil change and see how much **** comes out of your new motor because that rocket ship isn't close to being broken in.
Let me know how it turns out and if you still have the noise, if so we will go a little deeper and find out why.
M.Woodring

Posted on May 27, 2011

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    mark woodring May 27, 2011

    if your looking to have it fixed you should take it to your shop, if your looking for help in find something out then someone on the computer is able to do that! "


    This is nothing more than an amateur forum response. I"m looking for
    someone who knows what the f... He is talking about. What a scam." For starts you don't have to pay if your not happy read how this works. If you would be kind and bring your bike to me so i can hear, feel and look at what I'm working on i could fix your little bike problem. Before you go throwing around the f bomb maybe you should know alittle about the person you are talking down to. I myself have fixed more bikes then you have ever riden my friend. you want advise ask for it if your not willing to take what your given ride you happy *** over to the shop!! Check your attitude at the the door because any good shop won't deal with your ****!
    Now i want you to do something for me, check your valve clearance,keep in mind your working on a shim under bucket head.Now remove your oil lines to the top of the motor and make sure they are not blocked don't forget to put new o rings in before you go putting you lines back on. if i had to take a stab in the dark the only thing you have going on is the pressure in the top end oiling lines isn't there till the bike starts pumping oil then your dry top end gets what it wants... OIL... you can put a check valve in the line but i won't worry about it. you can find the part numbers and prices on world of power sports they will have the micro phish on your bike. Oh the top end oil lines sit between the intakes, and on top of the cam shaft under the valve cover. Have fun with the frame and getting to all of it
    BEST OF LUCK

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    mark woodring May 29, 2011

    how is the bike fixing going? i haven't heard anything back from you just wanted to know if your getting around alright and if i know what i'm talking about. kindly get back to me.
    Your friendly expert from fixya.com
    Mark Woodring

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My advice is to use exactly what your owner's manual recommends. It very well may be that your Kawasaki does not like synthetic. You do not necessarily have to use Kawasaki oil as they do not even refine oil. Their oil is just one of the major brands with their name on it. Just use a major brand conventional oil in the correct weight recommended in your owner's manual. If the noise does not go away you then know that you have another problem and it was not the synthetic causing the problem. Also just as important is to use a quality filter which is what I think your problem may be. You may be using a filter that does not have a check valve, which is causing the filter to drain and be empty on startup. Or it may be that the check valve is bad in the filter you installed. Make sure you use a quality filter with a check valve installed in the filter. Not all filters have them but most do.

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Like Honda and Toyota, the japanese motor companies specify everything including all fluids. Any time go astray on fluid selection for Toyota or honda I regret it.

The fact that he has an opinion on something so strange means it is likely true. The cost to check is less than $20 and I believe quiet engines last longer.

Good luck.

-Mark

Posted on May 27, 2011

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    Mark T May 27, 2011

    Then don't accept my answer and wait for someone with kawi shop experience to give there two cents.

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    Mark T May 27, 2011

    Correction. Their two cents.

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