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93 flhs. evo, bike just quit running. no spark at plugs, put in new plugs,wires and coil. still no spark. i have a crane H1-4 in timing cone. is that my problem. would like to be sure that is problem before spending $200 for new part HELP PLEASE TONY

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If your bike has been converted to a Crane ignition, all you have is the Crane unit, two spark plugs, two wires, and a coil. Seems you've replaced everything else so the unit is all that is left.

Now, before you replace the unit, you see there are two wires on the hot side of the coil. Make sure you have battery voltage to that side of the coil. A test, take your plugs out and lay one on the engine where you can see it. Turn your ignition switch on, then turn it off. You should see a single spark when you turn the switch off. If so, you're electrical wiring and coil are alright. Your unit is bad. If you don't get a spark, you are not getting voltage to the coil for some reason.

If you are not getting power to the coil, make sure the "Run/STOP" switch is in the right position. If it is, you'll need a schematic to trace the voltage back to the source. I have a schematic for a FXDWG. If you want a copy, send me a personal e-mail at wd4ity@bellsouth.net and I'll send one to you. This forum will not allow for a file over 150Kb. Remind me of what you need.

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A lot of folks in the club know far more about Shovels than me.
But from my own observations and experiences....and asking around over the years. And now thatI have a points bike:

POINTS are good, can be reliable, but do wear out. the good news is that you will get warning, as components (weights etc) slowly disintegrate. Bike will start to run rough, hard to kick. Points are cheap, you can replace at side of road.

Those who religiously stick to points always use the ''side of the road'' argument. This seems mostly to stem from the late 1978 through the early 1980s when Harley first developed electronic ignitions. And frankly, their first efforts sucked, by general consensus. But since the advent of the Evo's V-Fire III version the factory and aftermarket ignitions have been fairly bulletproof for tens of thousands of miles.

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The replacement took 20min to fix, i just put it in the same (timing) spot as the first one, and bike kicked up 2nd attempt.

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