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Have a 04 R1150Rt whose transmission has gone out twice within the lst 15000 miles. the first time had to do with clutch plate splines and input shaft, Second event similar to the first. Can move through gears, but drive will not engage. Engine running fine. Have not repaired bike since second failure. Rearend bearings have not blown yet, but I have been warned to expect failure there at around 20000 miles. I expect transmission failure throughout life of bike, even after thousands of dollars of dealer fixes and in shop. I am already out 1700 dollars on first repair which got me back on the road for 3000 miles. Preparing for more shaft work by dealer whose estimates are 2200-2900 dollars. Perhaps at that cost I can be back on the road for 12000miles before the splines go again. But within 5k miles, the rearend is expected to fail according to local mechanic who works on bmw police bikes. I am the original owner of the bike. I contacted BMW Corporate who stated my bike is out of warranty, they know of no inherent problems with their transmissions, and there was no recalls on their transmissions for 04 model. Do you know of anyone who will completely rebuild the transmission and guarantee their work for 100% up to 30000 miles? 3k,5k,or 12k miles will not due it for me. It is dangerous having transmission failure on high traffic freeway.

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    David Belcher Oct 07, 2010

    Either fix it and trade it in on a different model or buy an extended warranty for future repairs.

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Who rebuild the transmission the first time? Was it done at a BMW dealer? Work done by an authorized dealer is warranted for 2 years from date of repair. If work was done by an reputable independent shop, I would think they would at least warranty the labor

If you replaced the input shaft, and clutch disc with the original repair, it is very hard to believe that it has failed again in only 3000 miles. Remove the starter motor on the LHS of the engine/trans and take a look inside.

If you live in the eastern US, you can try Anton. He seems to have a good reputation and is an independent shop.

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Just wonder... did you get it fixed ???

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