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2002 R1150R starter - is pig tail on solenoid a ground or should a positive battery connected to it pick up ( operate ) the solenoid?

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You added an extra ground but did nothing with the positive cable. It's time to replace that one, possibly using better quality cable then stock.

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Two things come to mind, other than an internal problem with the starter. Diconnect the battery and take the small cover off the solenoid. pull the plunger and spring out and check the 2 internal contacts and the copper washer on the plunger for a badly burned or worn condition. Rebuild kits are available for some models. If not, you can dress up the contacts and the washer. Push the plunger in by hand and see that it hits both contacts at the same time.
Another possibility is the starter clutch. Usually when these fail the starter spins without turning the engine over, but I have seen them cause the symptom you described. Replacement involves removing the starter and dissasembly of the drive end of the starter, but since you were savvy enough to take the initial steps you mentioned, I know you can handle it.

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You need a test light on the starter terminal when it won't start. Attempt the start and if the light comes on, but the motor doesn't, the motor is defective. In that case, remove the starter from the engine and inspect each brush located at the opposite end from the drive for excess wear or weak spring tension that holds the brush in place. Don't rotate the brush 180 degrees when replaced. I don't know if rebuild kits are available--check with a dealer. Hope this helps!

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When I go to start my car it will click several


The symptom you describe sounds like a voltage drop between the starter (ignition) switch and the starter solenoid. Some causes are:
1 Faulty ignition switch - either replace or, if you're mechanically minded, try to strip the switch and clean the contacts. This is a tricky fix because these switches are not made to be serviced.
Before you go there, however, check all the connectors on the wiring harness between the ig. switch and the starter solenoid and clean them if necessary. To make sure you have a voltage drop, connect a volt meter between the battery positive and the starter pick connector, then turn the key to start position. If you measure a voltage, anything more than 1 volt, you have a problem. Another check is measure from the battery negative to the pick wire, Turn the ignition to start, and you should measure 12 volts, not less than 11 v.
Here is a quick check you can try. There are three connections on the starter motor solenoid, two heavy ones and one small one. The small one is the solenoid pick terminal. Remove the wire from this connector and connect a length of wire from the connector and touch the other end to the battery positive terminal. The solenoid should click in and the starter should engage every time you touch the battery terminal.
If this happens, you can be sure the problem is not with the starter.
If all else fails, you could fit a booster relay to the starter.
This involves mounting a relay somewhere near the starter motor. You can get a relay from a scrap yard, most modern vehicles have headlight relays which will work fine, which are mounted on the under hood fuse box. The relay should have two heavy terminals and two smaller terminals..
Run a wire from the battery positive to one of the heavy terminals on the relay, and from the other heavy terminal to the solenoid pick connector. Bring the wire that used to be connected to the pick connector and connect that to one of the small connectors on the relay. The other small connector on the relay goes to ground (any bare metal point). I hope this helps.

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Starter


Sportster Starter

Removal Procedures:


Remove the negative battery terminal or the ground cable to case connection and then remove the primary cover and then remove the two starter mounting bolts and washers with a ball hex driver. THEN remove rear exhaust pipe, remove the positive battery lead and solenoid wire from the starter. Remove the starter and gasket from the right side of the motorcycle.

INSTALLATION procedures:

Install starter and starter gasket from the right side of the motorcycle, then attach the positive battery cable and solenoid wire to the solenoid and from the left side install the two starter mounting bolts and washers and tighten them to 13-20 ft-lbs which is 18-27 Nm. Then reinstall the primary cover, fill it to the proper level with primary chaincase/transmission fluid/oil and then reconnect the battery ground and re-install the rear exhaust pipe.

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Engine cranks but won't start. No headlights or tail lights domelights or under hood lights


Check all your fuses. The fuse for your fuel pump,. If fuse is ok, Turn key onto the acc position and listen for your fuel pump. You should hear it hum. You also have fuel relays, but I'm still wondering why you are blowing fuses for all that together. May be a bad ground or direct short. Check fuses then get back to me please. and dont forget to rate my solution thanks

Jan 07, 2013 | 1992 Chevrolet S-10

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How to replace a starter??


Ford Excursion, Expedition, Lincoln Navigator 2000-2005
Starter

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Removal & Installation

  1. Before servicing the vehicle, refer to the precautions in the beginning of this section.

    Negative battery cable
  2. Raise and safely support the vehicle.
  3. Remove or disconnect the following:
    NOTE To disconnect the hard-shell connector from the solenoid S terminal, grasp the plastic shell and pull off; do not pull on the wire. Pull straight off to prevent damage to the connector and S terminal.


    Starter terminal cover Terminal nut and separate the battery starter cable from the starter motor Solenoid S terminal connector, if equipped with a starter mounted solenoid
  4. Remove or disconnect the following:

    Starter motor retaining bolts Starter motor from the vehicle

To install:
  1. Install or connect the following:

    Starter motor and retaining bolts. Tighten the bolts to 15-20 ft. lbs. (20-27 Nm). Bttery starter cable and a terminal nut to the starter motor. Tighten the terminal nuts to 79 inch lbs. (9 Nm). Slenoid S terminal connector, if equipped with a starter mounted solenoid Sarter solenoid safety cap, if equipped
  2. Lower the vehicle.
  3. Remove or disconnect the following:

    Ngative battery cable
  4. Start the engine several times to check starter motor operation.

  1. Before servicing the vehicle, refer to the precautions in the beginning of this section.
  2. Remove or disconnect the following:

    Negative battery cable
  3. Raise the front of the truck and install jackstands beneath the frame. Firmly apply the parking brake and place blocks in back of the rear wheels.
  4. Remove or disconnect the following:

    Wiring from the starter motor terminals Starter motor retaining bolts, loosen Starter retaining bolts while supporting the starter motor Starter from the vehicle

To install:
  1. The installation is the reverse of removal. Tighten the starter retaining bolts to 15-20 ft. lbs. (20-27 Nm)

4.6L, 5.4L & 6.8L Engines
  1. Before servicing the vehicle, refer to the precautions section.
  2. Disconnect the negative battery cable.
  3. Raise and safely support the vehicle.
  4. Remove or disconnect the following:
    NOTE To disconnect the hard-shell connector from the solenoid S terminal, grasp the plastic shell and pull off; do not pull on the wire. Pull straight off to prevent damage to the connector and S terminal.


    Starter terminal cover Terminal nut and separate the battery starter cable from the starter motor Solenoid S terminal connector, if equipped with a starter mounted solenoid
  5. Remove or disconnect the following:

    Starter motor retaining bolts Starter motor from the vehicle

To install:
  1. Install or connect the following:

    Starter motor and retaining bolts. Tighten the bolts to 15-20 ft. lbs. (20-27 Nm). Battery starter cable and a terminal nut to the starter motor. Tighten the terminal nuts to 79 inch lbs. (9 Nm). Solenoid S terminal connector, if equipped with a starter mounted solenoid Starter solenoid safety cap, if equipped
  2. Lower the vehicle.
  3. Connect the negative battery cable.
  4. Start the engine several times to check starter motor operation.

6.0L Diesel Engine
  1. Before servicing the vehicle, refer to the precautions section.
  2. Disconnect the battery ground cable.
  3. Remove starter solenoid protective cap.
  4. Disconnect the starter motor electrical connections.
  5. Remove the bolts and the starter.

To install:
  1. Installation is the reverse of the removal procedure. Tighten the starter bolts to 18 ft. lbs. (25 Nm)

7.3L Engine
  1. Before servicing the vehicle, refer to the precautions section.
  2. Remove or disconnect the following:

    Negative battery cable
  3. Raise the front of the truck and install jackstands beneath the frame. Firmly apply the parking brake and place blocks in back of the rear wheels.
  4. Remove or disconnect the following:

    Wiring from the starter motor terminals Starter motor retaining bolts, loosen Starter retaining bolts while supporting the starter motor Starter from the vehicle

To install:
  1. The installation is the reverse of removal. Tighten the starter retaining bolts to 15-20 ft. lbs. (20-27 Nm)


Testing & Troubleshooting

Feed Circuit Test

  1. Make sure the battery is fully charged.
  2. Disconnect the Inertia Fuel Shutoff (IFS) switch.
  3. Connect a remote starter switch between the starter solenoid S-terminal and the battery positive (+) terminal.
  4. Connect the Rotunda 73 Digital Multimeter positive lead to the battery positive (+) post. Connect negative lead to the starter solenoid M-terminal.

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    Fig. Motor feed circuit-S-terminal (1), remote starter switch (2), battery (3), Rotunda 73 digital multimeter (4), B-terminal (5), M-terminal (6)

  5. Engage the remote starter switch. Read and record the voltage. The voltage reading should be 0.5 volt or less.
  6. If the voltage reading is 0.5 volt or less, go to the Motor Ground Circuit Component Test.
  7. If the voltage reading is greater than 0.5 volt, indicating excessive resistance, move the Rotunda 73 Digital Multimeter negative lead to the starter solenoid B-terminal and repeat the test. If the voltage reading at the B-terminal is lower than 0.5 volt, the concern is either in the connections at the starter solenoid or in the solenoid contacts.
  8. Remove the cables from solenoid B-, S- and M-terminals. Clean the cables and connections and reinstall the cables to the correct terminals. Repeat Steps 3 through 6. If the voltage drop reading is still greater than 0.5 volt when checked at the M-terminal or less than 0.5 volt when checked at the B-terminal, the concern is in the solenoid contacts. Install a new starter motor.
  9. If the voltage reading taken at the solenoid B-terminal is still greater than 0.5 volt after cleaning the cables and connections at the solenoid, the concern is either in the positive (+) battery cable connection or in the positive battery cable itself.
  10. By moving the Rotunda 73 Digital Multimeter negative lead toward the battery and checking each mechanical connection point, the excessive voltage drop can be located. When the high reading disappears, the last mechanical point that was checked is the concern. Repair or install a new connection as required.

Ground Circuit Test
A slow cranking condition can be caused by resistance in the ground or return portion of the cranking circuit. Check the voltage drop in the ground circuit as follows:
  1. Disconnect the inertia fuel shutoff switch.
  2. Connect a remote starter switch between the starter solenoid S-terminal and the battery positive (+) terminal.
  3. Connect the Rotunda 73 Digital Multimeter positive lead to the starter motor housing (the connection must be clean and free of rust or grease). Connect the negative lead to the negative (-) battery terminal.

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    Fig. Motor ground circuit-Rotunda 73 digital multimeter (1), battery (2), S-terminal (3), M-terminal (4), B-terminal (5), remote starter switch (6)

  4. Engage the remote starter switch and crank the engine. Read and record the voltage reading. The reading should be 0.2 volt or less.
  5. If the voltage drop is more than 0.2 volt, clean the negative cable connections at the battery and body connections, and retest.
  6. If the voltage drop is greater than 0.2 volt, determine which way the current is flowing in the cable.
  7. Connect the Rotunda 73 Digital Multimeter positive lead to the end of the cable nearest battery positive.
  8. Connect the multimeter negative lead to the terminal at the other end of the cable.
  9. Crank the engine and observe the voltage reading. The voltage reading should be 0.2 volt or lower. If the voltage drop is too high, clean the terminal ends. Retest, and if still high, install a new cable. If the voltage reading is less than 0.2 volt and the engine still cranks slowly, install a new starter motor.

Voltage Drop Test

WARNING When servicing the starter motor or performing other underhood work in the vicinity of the starter motor, be aware that the heavy gauge battery input lead at the starter solenoid is "electrically hot" at all times.

WARNING A protective cap or boot is provided over the battery input terminal on all vehicle lines and must be installed after servicing. Be sure to disconnect the battery ground cable before servicing the starter motor.
Always make the Rotunda 73 Digital Multimeter connections at the component terminal rather than at the wiring end connector. Making a connection at the wiring end connector could result in false readings because the meter will not pick up a high resistance between the wiring connector and the component.

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'06 883 xl Fires up strong with jump box connected but really struggles when disconnected. Started doing this right after I picked it up from Rossiter's for a front tire. Replaced the batter...


The circut that supplies the current to the starter is through the battery cables. The smaller wires are simply control wiring. If you look at the rear fo your starter, you'll see a single small wire running to the back of the starter. This is the wire from your starter relay. It simply activates the solenoid. When the solenoid pulls it's plunger inward, it makes two large copper contacts inside the solenoid. The battery's positive cable is connected to one of the large contacts and the starter motor is connected to the other. The starter's ground is where it's bolted to the engine. The engine is bolted to the frame and the battery's negative cable connects to the frame. This is the high current path from the battery through the starter and back to the battery. Make sure all the connections are good, tight and clean. Did you purchase a battery with enough Cold Cranking Amps to start the engine? You can take the plate off the back of the starter, pull the plunger and spring out, and check the large copper contacts. If they look badly burned, you can replace them. But, the possibility exist that you may have a bad starter. The only way to tell that is to do a current draw test on it.

Good Luck
Steve

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I'm replacing the starter on my 2002 ford focus. the new starter came equiped with an addition "pig tail" on one of the posts which is supposed to solve a "no start problem" with older...


The pigtail should be mounted to the smaller stud on the starter solenoid.

The other end should have a but connector and there should be a peice of heat shrink tubing also supplied. You will cut off the connector on the small wire that went to the spade terminal on the old starter. then crimp that wire to the new pig tail and then place the heat shrink tubing over the connection.

This will solve the problem with the spade connector corroding at the starter which causes many no crank problems with ford vehicles. Especially the older Taurus.

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2005 Sedona wont start, wont take a jump. Radio works and lights come on but wont turn over. Friend said to follow the positive battery cable to its end and id find the starter. cant find it. looked here...


OK, even if you find the starter, you'll have to find a way of testing it.

Starter Testing Starting System Voltage Drop Tests NOTE: The battery must be in good condition and fully charged prior to performing this test.
There are three area of the starter motor circuits that voltage drop test can be performed on. These include:
  • The starter feed circuit
  • The starter ground circuit
  • The starter solenoid.
Starter Feed Circuit
  1. Disable the fuel system by removing the fuel pump fuse or the fuel pump relay.
  2. Verify that the vehicle will not start.
  3. Connect the positive lead of a voltmeter to the positive terminal of the battery.
  4. Connect the negative lead of a voltmeter to the starter B+ terminal.
  5. Turn the ignition key to the START position and note the voltage displayed on the voltmeter.
    • Ideally, there should be no more than 0.1 volt drop for each connection displayed on the voltmeter. No voltage should be consumed by the vehicle wiring
      1. If the battery cable connects directly to the starter motor there should be no more than a 0.2 volt drop measured
      2. If the vehicle uses a starter solenoid between the battery and the starter motor terminal there should be no more than 0.4 volt displayed on the voltmeter
Starter Ground Circuit
  1. Disable the fuel system by removing the fuel pump fuse or the fuel pump relay.
  2. Verify that the vehicle will not start.
  3. Connect the positive lead of the voltmeter to the case of the starter motor.
  4. Connect the negative lead of the voltmeter to the negative terminal of the battery.
  5. Turn the ignition key to the START position and note the voltage displayed on the voltmeter.
    • Ideally, there should be no more than 0.1 volt drop for each connection displayed on the voltmeter. No voltage should be consumed by the vehicle wiring
      1. If the battery cable connects directly to the starter motor there should be no more than a 0.2 volt drop measured
    • Starter Solenoid
  6. Disable the fuel system by removing the fuel pump fuse or the fuel pump relay.
  7. Verify that the vehicle will not start.
  8. Connect the positive lead of the voltmeter to the case starter B+ terminal.
  9. Connect the negative lead of the voltmeter to the lug (the starter M terminal) that connects the starter solenoid to the starter motor.
  10. Turn the ignition key to the START position and note the voltage displayed on the voltmeter.
    • Ideally, there should be no more than 0.2 volt drop across the starter solenoid displayed on the voltmeter.
In general, there should be no more than a 1.0 volt drop throughout the entire starter motor feed and ground circuit. Any voltage drops measured in either the feed or ground circuits after connections have been cleaned will require replacement of the affected battery cable. Typically, any voltage drops measured in the solenoid are repaired by replacing the starter motor.

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Removal & Installation

  1. Before servicing the vehicle, refer to the precautions at the beginning of this section.
  2. Record the radio anti theft code data.
  3. Remove or disconnect the following:

    Negative battery cable On 2002-05 vehicles, shift cable Starter motor electrical connectors On 2002-05 vehicles, starter heat shield Starter motor

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    Fig. Starter motor mounting-3.5L Engine


To install:
  1. Install or connect the following:

    Starter motor. Tighten the bolts to 20-24 ft. lbs. (27-33 Nm). On 2002-05 vehicles, starter heat shield Starter motor electrical connectors. Tighten the battery terminal nut to 106-141 inch lbs. (12-16 Nm). On 2002-05 vehicles, shift cable Negative battery cable Reprogram the radio anti theft codes

Oct 18, 2010 | 2005 Kia Sedona

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My Subaru Legacy Outback won't start and the battery is fully charged, the starter won't even click, what is the problem?


Starters don't click.
Solenoids click.

So remove push-on connector from Solenoid wire.
Should be clean, secure & relay bracket grounded.
Connect a jumper wire between battery positive terminal & the exposed terminal on the solenoid.
If starter motor now operates then it's the ignition switch.
If starter motor does not operate then replace solenoid.

Oct 10, 2009 | 1997 Subaru Legacy

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2002 nissan altima wont crank?


Check the transmission neutral start inhibit switch is not the cause of your problem. (try both 'P' to 'N' positions).
If the headlights work ok there should be enough power in the battery to at least make a solenoid type noise when start is attempted- so it may not be caused by a faulty alternator.
Check the battery terminals are clean and firmly attached to the battery,
Check battery is properly grounded to the chassis and motor,
Check that +12v is available at the starter motor engage solenoid when the ignition switch is held in the 'start' position - check any start slave relay operation.
If all above is OK, you may have a faulty starter motor.

Oct 08, 2009 | 2002 Nissan Altima

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