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The engine oil lamp won't go off after ignition key is turned on, and the thing won't start. (i'm guessing the first error indicator is the reason for the second) but.. What is the issue?

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  • lordblc Sep 17, 2010

    Thank you for the reply. In the meantime i've figured tyst the owner before me neglected to mention that he hadn't filled oil on the engine for some time, and so, by measuring it i found out that it was simply dangerously low on oil. ( barely touched the stick) i've just refilled it, but didn't have time to wait more than 5 minutes. At that time it still wouldn't go off. The engine does not respond to the starter, but i think that might be a fail safe. For now i'm letting it seep in before i check again.

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Oil light stays on until oil pressure rises enough. Engine temp light should come on when key is turned on and then go off after 3-5 seconds. Wait till temp light goes off and then press starter button but DO NOT open throttle. Bike should start if there are no other problems and oil light should go off after engine starts. If you open throttle, engine may not start.

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  • lordblc Sep 20, 2010

    Hi, thanks for the reply. I tried to post a comment here on saturday, but to no avail. Anyway, i figured out that the reason for the oil lamp to begin lighting up was, you guessed it, lack of oil. I've not had this bike for long, and the previous owner never mentioned that part to me, so i simply forgot to check the level. Anyway, i refilled the engine, but the lamp is still lighting up, with the result that the bike refuse to respond to the starter, at all. roll start has same result, it seems the gear box is disconnected from the engine while this error is in effect. I discussed this with a colleague today, and we theorize that i might have to leave the ignition on for some time (more than the 2 minutes i've tried) in order for the engine to do it's thing. Unfortunately, i'm not too well traversed in the inner workings of BMW MC's so despite having the service manual, i seem to not have enough information to truly understand how it works.

  • Satguy777 Sep 20, 2010

    Yes, but now you have added way too much oil to the engine..... here is why.... the F650 engine is a dry sump engine which means that the oil drains down into the bottom of the engine case and is pumped into the oil tank when the engine runs. Because your engine will not start, a large amount of oil is now in the engine and not in the oil tank giving a false reading on the dip stick. You must check the oil level on these bikes with the engine at full operating temperature (engine run for at least 10 min)

  • lordblc Sep 20, 2010

    Hmm.. Good thing i didn't fill it completely then. I passed the halfway mark with about 1 cm, and stopped there. Thinking it's enough to get it running (or should be) and then adjust afterwards if needed. I didn't know what you're telling me now though. Greatly appreciating the input. Am hoping for better weather tomorrow, so i can test a little. Since i can't seem to get it started, it's kinda difficult to do as the manual, (and you) states. :P

  • lordblc Sep 21, 2010

    Finally solved - Today i yanked out the oilpressure sensor. This because a friend of mine tipped me that they sometimes get stuck if the unit has been standing still for some time. Thanks to that, i finally managed to get a response from the starter, and it ignited. I have yet to measure the oil level as i was in a hurry to get to work in time, but it's running, and running smooth. so. Thanks for the help. :)

  • Satguy777 Sep 21, 2010

    Glad you got it started.... but the oil pressure sender does not have any connection to the starter circuit. Are U sure that you did not remove the neutral switch??

    Anyhow, run the engine till it gets hot or even till the cooling fan comes on and then check the oil level with the bike standing vertical (not on sidestand) Remember to turn the engine off before removal of the dipstick. This is very important as too much oil can ruin these engines... I have rebuilt a couple at the dealership that the owner put too much oil in thinking it was a good idea. .... NOT!

  • lordblc Sep 23, 2010

    Thanks, i have scheduled a drivechain replacement on another bike for tomorrow, so i will do this at the same time.
    I'm not quite sure what got it started, but at least its working now. And everything is connected back together, so.. weird case..
    This has definately taught me a lot about how this thing really works, so.. thanks again :)

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