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No fuel pressure asd&pump relays energized

No fuel pressure asd&pump relays energized new pump fuses good

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The fuel pump relay won't energize if the ignition is bad, or the fuel safety cut out is bad. Don't know what Dodge uses. Ford has an inertial switch in trunk. Many cars use the alternator. Some use extra wires to the oil pressure sender. Try looking at the wiring diagram on relay side, and jumper the outputs where relay plugs into, bypassing the relay completely. The pump should hum and you should get pressure. If not, make sure the tank isn't buiding up vacuum, and make sure the power and gound are good at the pump.

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on many cars , you need to crank it.
some have the prime key on for 3 seconds.
on jeeps.
check fuses first
check the ASD relay, if it dont energize the pump relay will be dead.
ASD >>> Fuelpump relay.

on jeeps, the ASD drops after 3 seconds, if the PCM sees errors.
http://www.fixkick.com/Jeeps/ASD.html
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did you check all fuses with a meter ?
you are new to jeep repairs.... here are some facts.
jeeps have ASD relay.
when car dont start, see what the ASD relay is doing
do not throw parts, you picked the most hard and expensive thing to change on a lark. why do that?
the fuel pressure gauge is $20 and takes 5min to see that fuel pressure is good. not pulling the tank and pump. for fun.
why do that.? (seen 100000 times on forums, this....)
here is mr. ASD, and what to check.
the ASD can cut fuel and spark for many causes. x8

http://www.fixkick.com/Jeeps/ASD.html

automatic shut down relay.

does the relay close cranking? y/n ?
if yes, does it then drop out cranking, y/n?

those are the first 2 tests on all jeeps 1993 to now.

each check discovers what is wrong
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for 5 long seconds and behold, DTC errors.
got DTC errors cranking/??

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I have a 02 grand caravan, there is fuse call asd that keeps on blowing.

Well in a short term, you have a short circuit somewhere. Here is a detailed toturial for you. Please rate this post, thank you.

Automatic Shutdown (ASD) sense - PCM Input

The ASD sense circuit informs the PCM when the ASD relay energizes. A 12 volt signal at this input indicated to the PCM that the ASD has been activated. This input is used only to sense that the ASD relay is energized.
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Automatic Shutdown Relay - PCM Output

The PCM operates the Automatic Shutdown (ASD) relay and fuel pump relay through one ground path. The PCM operates them by switching the ground path for the solenoid side of the realys on and off. Both realys turn on and off at the same time.
The ASD relay connects battery voltage to the fuel injectors and ignition coil. The fuel pump relay connects battery voltage to the fuel pump.
A buss bar in the power distribution center (PDC) supplies voltage to the solenoid side and contact side of the relay. The ASD relay power circuit contains a 20 amp fuse between the buss bar in the PDC and teh relay. The fuse also protects the power circuit for the fuel pump relay and pump. The fuse is located in teh PDC.
The PCM controls the relay by switching the ground path for the solenoid side of the relay on and off. The PCM turns the ground path off when the ignition switch is in the Off position. When the ignition switch is in the On or Crank position, the PCM monitors the crankshaft position sensor and the camshaft position sensor signals to determine engine speed and ignition timing (coil dwell). If the PCM does not receive the crankshaft position sensor and camshaft position when the ignition switch is in teh Run position, it will de-energize teh ASD relay.
The ASD relay and fuel pump relay are located in the PDC near the battery. The inside top of the PCD cover has a label showing relay and fuse location.

ASD and Fuel Pump Relays

The following description of operation and tests apply only to the Automatic Shutdown (ASD) and fuel pump relays. The terminals on the bottom of each relay are numbered.

'------------------'
' __85 ___________'
' __87A '87 '30 ___' Sorry for the crudeness of this. This is supposed to
' __86 ___________' be the relay terminals!
'------------------'

OPERATION
- Terminal number 30 is connected to battery voltage. For both the ASD and fuel pump relays, terminal 30 is connected to battery voltage at all times.
- The PCM grounds the coil side of the relay through terminal number 85.
- Terminal number 86 supplies voltage to the coil side of the relay.
- When the PCM de-energizes the ASD and fuel pump relays, terminal number 87A connects to terminal 30. This is the Off position. In the off position, voltage is not supplied to the rest of the circuit. Terminal 87A is the center terminal on the relay.
- When the PCM energizes the ASD and fuel pump relays, terminal 87 connects to terminal 30. This is the On position. Terminal 87 supplies voltage to the rest of the curcuit.

TESTING
The following procedure applies to the ASD and fuel pump relays.
(1) Remove relay from connector before testing.
(2) With the relay removed from the vehicle, use an ohmmeter to check the resistance between terminals 85 and 86. The resistance shoud be 75±5 ohms.
(3) Connect the ohmmeter between terminals 30 and 87A. The ohmmeter should show continuity between terminals 30 and 87A.
(4) Connect the ohmmeter between between terminals 87 and 30. The ohmmeter should not show continuity at this time.
(5) Connect one end of a jumper wire (16 guage or smaller) to relay terminal 85. Connect the other end of the jumper wire to the ground side of a 12 volt power source.
(6) Connect on end of another jumper wire (16 guage or smaller) to the power side of the 12 volt power source. Do not attach the other end of the jumper wire to the relay at this time.

WARNING: DO NOT ALLOW OHMMETER TO CONTACT TERMINALS 85 OR 86 DURING THIS TEST.

(7) Attach the other end of the jumper wire to relay terminal 86. This activates the relay. The ohmmeter should now show continuity between relay terminals 87 and 30. The ohmmeter should not show continuity between relay terminals 87A and 30.
(8) Disconnect jumper wires.
(9) Replace the relay if it did not pass the continuity and resistance tests. If the relay passed the tests, is operates properly. Check the remainder of the ASD and fuel pump curcuits.

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I know you said you replaced the relay, and this is a test procedure for the relay, but I have bought bad parts in the past. The description before the test procedure at least gives you an idea of what components are wired through and controlled by the relay. One of those may be faulty. Email me if you want or need wiring diagrams and I should be able to scan them and email them to you.

I hope this helps.

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1993 Jeep chreokee Replaced fuse and relays Can not get fire to fuelpump I have checked the fuel pump it is good all new relays and fuses

You have two relays there...the fuel pump relay and the pump bypass relay. Did you check both? Also, did you check the resistor on the drivers fender back near the master cyl? Both relays are powered by the asd relay that is energized by the crank position sensor via the computer.
Also check the connections for the relays underneath the power distribution center.
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