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Primary seal leaks

I have the same problem on a 2000 Fatboy. The Mainshaft inner bearing race is walking in on the shaft toward the clutch and coming out of the seal. Then it leaks. I pulled off the race and am trying to find out if a new race will fix it or if the shaft is the problem.

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Hello painlessauto...it's another HD design flaw, you can replace it, but the end result will be the same. Consider yourself lucky you were able to remove it. I have had to cut them out before due to lack of room to get puller in place.
S & S makes a Hi-Perf. aftermarket replacement that will eliminate this "walk" ...and i think Baker does also. You might want to consider these options. I never cared much for oil leaks.
S&S High Performance Inner Primary Mainshaft Bearing Race Manufacturer Part #: 565089
Good luck...i hope this helps fixya.
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Thanks wd4ity, your instructions helped. I checked everything. But after changing 4 seals of different makes, its still leaking after a quick run round the block. The leak is not as bad but get a small...


Ok, usually when I give information on things like that, I tell them everything that I know so that they get their problem fixed the first time. I don't allot it out piece at a time. So, undoubtedly, there is something amiss here, not just the normal leaky seal.

If you are positive that the leak in coming from the backside of the inner primary at the mainshaft. There is a starter seal up just a bit higher that can leak as well. You should have already checked the inner bearing race position on the mainshaft, 0.100" from the face of the final drive gear and that the race is between 0.9950" and 1.000" (25.27-25.40mm) long. The race is free of burrs and deep scratches. The new seal should have a tension of about 0.5mm (0.020") between the seal and the bearing race. If you measure the inside of the seal with a caliper and then measure the outside of the race, the race should be a bit larger than the seal.

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Double sealing does no good as no oil gets to the outer seal and it burns up very quickly even if you pack grease between the seals. This used to be used on the old Shovelhead with the sealed bearing. It does keep dirt away from the seal though.

Now, it still sounds to me like it's your quad seal behind the front drive pulle. The quad seal keeps the transmission lubricant from running underneath the spacer behind the front pulley and then down between the front pulley splines and the final drive gear. When it drips off, it will drip onto the mainshaft and run down the backside of the inner primary.

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Well, I hope this helps again. For the life of me, that's all I can thnk about. I've even included some information that I never check in most cases, like the length of the inner race.

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