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Re: My front left marker/running lamp is not working but...
I don't know what you're driving - or the bulb number - but many vehicles make use of bulbs that have two elements. The first is the "running light" and the remaining element serves for "directional" duties. So, it is possible that one bulb has a burnt out "running light" element and a working "directional" element.
When you say you "checked" the bulb, a visual inspection will not suffice. A continuity check is required. You could swap bulbs - if the problem follows the bulb - then it is a problem that a new bulb will solve. If the problem stays with the left directional socket - then you need to test for voltage at the socket and trace back to the common point of the directional switch.
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They are turned on by the BCM !
Park, Tail, Marker and License Lamps
The park, tail, license, and marker lamps are turned ON when the headlamp switch is placed in either the HEAD or PARK lamp positions, or anytime the automatic light control (ALC) turns the headlamps ON. When the headlamp switch is placed in the park lamp or headlamp positions, ground from G202 is applied through the signal circuit to the BCM indicating the park lamp request. In response to this signal, the BCM applies ground through the park lamp relay control circuit energizing the PARK LP PCB Relay. With the relay energized, battery voltage is applied through the switch side of the relay, both park lamp fuses, and the supply voltage circuits illuminating the park, tail marker, and license lamps. Ground for the left front park and marker lamps is provided at G101 and the right front park and marker lamps at G100. Ground for all rear lamps is provided at G302.
Turn Signal Lamps
The LT T/SIG and RT T/SIG fuses located in the underhood fuse block supplies battery positive voltage to the body control module (BCM) for turn signal and hazard lamp operation. When the turn signal switch is place in either the LEFT or RIGHT position, ground from G202 is applied through the turn signal switch signal circuit to the BCM indicating the turn signal request. In response to this signal, the BCM applies a pulsating voltage to the front and rear turn signal lamps supply voltage circuits cycling the lamps ON and OFF. The BCM also sends a message via GMLAN to the instrument panel cluster (IPC) to cycle the turn signal indicator ON and OFF depending on the position of the turn signal switch.
Ground for the turn signal lamps is supplied as follows:
G101 provides ground for the left front turn signal lamp
G100 provides ground for the right front turn signal lamp
G302 provides ground for the left and right rear turn signal lamps
all else on car works perfectly (other shoe drops??????)
waring 1: no scan tool, you will fail (99%)
is battery fully charged to 12.6vdc rested or at 10v?
all 4 corners dead?
not working means dead?, flashes too fast/slow or dim? or they stick on? (5 modes to fail not counting L/R and haz)
do the hazards work? (prime evidence and not stated)
most cars before 2007 have fuse marked TURN.
but not this car... its not at all like older cars.... did you scan it first after the fuse tests? any PCM scan tool.?
2009 WK jeep
the FSM chapter 8L shows the huge list of errors the lamps can fail. DTC errors.
in fact 8 blinker codes, ! DTC errors,
there is no fuse, just for turns, (trailer lamps fuse 19)
read this excerpt from the FSM book.
The turn signal system operates on battery current received on a fused ignition switch output (run) circuit so that the
turn signals will only operate with the ignition switch in the On position. The hazard warning system operates on
non-switched battery current received on a fused B(+) circuit so that the hazard warning remains operational regardless
of the ignition switch position. When the turn signal system is activated, the circuitry of the left multi-function
switch and the FCM will cause the selected (right or left) turn signal indicator, front park/turn signal lamp, front side
marker lamp and rear tail/stop/turn signal lamp to flash on and off. When the hazard warning system is activated,
the circuitry of the hazard warning switch and the FCM will cause both the right side and the left side turn signal
indicators, front park/turn signal lamps, front side marker lamps and rear tail/stop/turn signal lamps to flash on and
off. The Front Control Module (FCM) can also activate the hazard warning system lamps.
the module front control MFC, runs this
and it uses fuse 18 , if 18 blows the module goes off line and vast things fail and huge numbers OF DTCs store.
and fuse 27 MFC
MFC needs these fuses good.
keep in mind nobody has MFC internal schematics...so........
this module drives left and right side front and rear.
electronic drivers, not fuses.
the MFC is here.
the fuses are 12,13,18, 20,27 that power MFC.
2) Check the fuse & blinker relay. Some bikes have different fuses for marker & blinking, even though they're in the same lamp.
3) It could be a wiring fault; these symptoms will happen when anything stops the rear signals from working. Try hooking them up to a battery, without the switch in the circuit, and through the chassis, then fix ground issues first. Work your back on the positive side until you get to the switch. It is definitely not the switch, because the switch is switching, so it's from the switch back to the lights somewhere. It's actually not that hard to trac, if you have a wiring diagram.
why skip RR lamp? what does IT DO? be like 1st 1st look.
dim, out, fast?
the rapid is talking to you
it means current is wrong,
shorted, or open lines. to the right.
its the wiring
if the bulbs are like 1157 brass base bulbs
why not replace them first , they can short inside,
asking online for guessing is silly, why listen to 10 examples for this.
but is cut wires.
keep i mind the blinker asks funny for both opens and shorts
its a feature, that.
low current or too much.
the acid test is connect 2 TEST bulbs in parallel to the multi-function switch output right side,
blinks ok now, bingo bad lamps or bad wiring, from there to the right side.
if the hazard fails you never said????
if rigth front is dim or dead the bulb is blown or shorted
if new bulb there , then the wires are shorted.
the only help on line worth squat is how to test and use your meter.
you can, check for voltage
you can check continuity on that line (its just 1 wire)
and check for shorts on that wire to ground (lamps pulled right side to do that, lamps read 0 ohms cold)
look for collision damage RF? behind lamp sockets?
in my book.
looking is always first. sure.
I have your SM book open now, chapter 8w-50
the haz/blink module has just 2 pins, left and right out.
pin 3 on the module runs front and rear blinks, (a fact to know)
RF is BR/RD, brown -red stripe?
all comments USA on USA forum. USA car.
the right side lamp (sidemaker) only blinks turns if parks ARE oFF
Id try 2 new blinker lamps front and 1 rear.
that be first. or test the lamp on a battery , and no not get burned fingers hot wring a shorted lamp.
wish i knew
what rear did
and what both did on HAZ
out, dim or to fast.
The rapid flashing occurs because of the light problem. If the 20A PARK LP fuse in the underhood fuse block is OK, the front marker lamps and the park lights should turn on when you set the headlamp switch to PARK. If the 10A T/SIG fuse in the instrument panel fuse block is OK, and the ignition switch is on, moving the turn signal multi-function switch to signal a right or left turn should cause the turn signals to flash. If this doesn't happen, check for a missing ground connection to the socket you replaced and check to be sure the replacement lamp was not forced into the socket backwards (it happens).
The marker ("running") lights are a separate circuit than the signal lights.
Normally you have a tail light, and the front running lights on with the headlight.
The bulbs used in the rear signal lights would be a single filament 1156 bulb, whereas the bulbs in the front are dual filament, one for turn signal, one for running light.
Do you know what a wiring diagram is ? How to use a DVOM - digital volt ohm meter ? Free wiring diagrams here http://www.bbbind.com/free_tsb.html Enter vehicle info. year make ,model and engine size. Under system click on lighting ,then under subsystem click on turn signals . Click the search button then the blue links .Check power an ground circuits ! This is how we diagnose electrical faults , not just replacing parts .
Voltage is applied through the TURN fuse and the turn/hazard flasher when the ignition switch is in the following positions:
• BULB TEST
The voltage travels to the contact in the hazard switch. The hazard switch is located in the turn/hazard-headlamp switch assembly. This contact is normally closed.
When the left turn signal is turned on, voltage is applied to the following components.
• The left turn indicator
• The left front park/turn lamp circuit 14
• The left rear turn lamp circuit 18
The turn lamps turn on immediately. The current flow heats up the timing element. The timing element is located in the turn/hazard flasher. The timing element repeatedly opens and closes the circuit. This action causes the turn lamps to begin flashing.
The voltage that is applied to the left front park/turn lamp is also applied to the left front marker lamp. If the headlamp switch is in the OFF position, the left front marker lamp will find a path to ground through one of the following lamps. The following lamps provide low resistance paths to ground:
• The right front marker lamp
• The right turn indicator
• The right front park/turn lamps
• The left front park/turn lamps
The left front marker lamp flashes with the turn lamps. The voltage drop across the marker lamp is much higher than the voltage drop across the other lamps. The lamps that are used for the ground path will not flash.
When the headlamp switch is in either the PARK or HEAD positions, voltage is applied through the following components:
• The EXT LP fuse
• The marker lamps
• The park lamps
When the left turn signal is turned on, the left marker lamp will have voltage at both connections. The left marker lamp does not light. When the turn/hazard flasher stops the voltage to the turn lamps, the marker lamp is grounded through the turn lamp. The marker lamp does not go on. The left front marker lamp flashes in the following manner:
• The left front marker lamp flashes on when the turn filament of the left front park/turn lamp goes off.
• The left front marker lamp flashes off when the turn filament of the left front park/turn lamp goes on.
Voltage is applied to the right lamps in the same manner, when the right turn signal is turned on.
Voltage is applied at all times through the following components to the normally open contact of the hazard switch in the turn/hazard-headlamp switch assembly:
• The STOP HAZ fuse
• The turn/hazard flasher
When the hazard switch is turned on, voltage is applied to the following components:
• The front turn lamps
• The rear turn lamps
The following lamps flash on and off:
• All of the turn lamps
• Both of the turn indicators
The front marker lamps flash with the hazard lamps on, just as the front marker lamps flash when the turn lamps are on. If the headlamp switch is in the OFF position, the front marker lamps flash on when the hazard lamps are on. The front marker lights will flash on when the hazard lamps are on if the headlamp switch is in one of the following positions:
When the hazard lamps are on, the following conditions apply:
• The turn circuit is always open.
• The turn/hazard flasher controls the lamp.
Voltage is applied through the EXT LP fuse, to the headlamp switch at all times. Voltage is applied to the park lamps and the marker lamps when the headlamp switch is in the following positions:
The front marker lamps are grounded through the turn filament of the respective front park/turn lamp. The front marker lamps light as a result.
Voltage is applied through the STOP HAZ fuse to the brake switch at all times. When the brake pedal is depressed, the brake switch closes. This action applies voltage through the turn/hazard-headlamp switch assembly to the following lamps:
• The high mounted stop lamp assembly
• The left tail/stop-turn lamps
• The right tail/stop-turn lamps