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How to check brake system failure

Brake is soft and touches floorbord at times

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Okay, first off, check the fluid in your brake master cylinder. Is it where is should be or is it really low?
If it's low, then check all 4 wheels for leaks, if you have drum brakes then remove the drum and check the wheel cylinders.
if no leaks were found, then inspect all rubber hoses to see if they are torn at all.
if no leaks were found then inspect all steal brake lines running through the vehicle.
if no leaks were found then check the back of the master cylinder itself for possible fluid running down the brake vacuum booster. Sometimes the rear of the master cylinder may leak directly into the brake booster and you won't be able to tell until you unbolt the master from the booster.

if you found no leaks, and your fluid is at a normal level, then bleed the brake system to ensure that there is no air.
If after the bleed, the pedal still feels the same, I would suspect a bypassing master cylinder and would recommend replacement.



these are the steps that I take to determine where the fault is

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Usually air in systems or leaking. If you have drums on rear check cylinders and for fluid on pipes under the vehicle. If u have done this then check brake master cylinder for leaks and vacuum pipes good luck

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