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What grounds the coils

Need to no what sends ground signal to ignition coils

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I don't think I understand the way you asked the question. There are three wires that go to each ignition coil. One wire goes to ground, one wire is 12volts, and the one wire goes to the ignition control module. The ECU receives the signals from the pulse generator and tells the Ignition Control Module when to fire each coil. If I miss understood you, please write back. I hope this helps, let me know. Good luck.

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The ignition module in the distributor normally handles this job as it controls the current flow through the coil.

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