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How to raise and lower the 328ci convertible top manually

I am 19 years old. If this question costs me money, please disregard my question. I purchased a 1996 328 ci. We have no owners manual on the car. The top will not go up or down when you hit the biutton. Can the top be raised manually on a 1996 328 ci? If yes, can you provide instructions?
Thanks so very much.John Paul

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  • Snyper-X Sep 10, 2008

    On my BMW 328i 1997, normally when you lock and keep your key in a lock position the windows and sunroof closes automatically, when I do this it works but my sunroof does not close, could this be a fuse or faulty wiring?

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I just bought a 1996 328iC (the "C" is for convertible). I bought the car with the knowledge that the roof needed a motor replacement (~$300 for the part alone + ~1-2 hours labor) and that I would need to open and close the roof manually if I wanted to take advantage of the convertible part of the car.

After some trial and error, I figured it out and now it takes me <30 seconds to open or close the top (manually). Note: my top is a semi-electric roof, which I think is what came on the 328iC, you have to lock into place after you close it.

Here's what you do:
1- open all of the windows
2- unlock the roof by turning the latch between the sun visors.
3- push the front of the roof towards the rear of the car - be sure to push in the middle of the roof, where the latch is.
4- lift the back of the roof up off of the roof storage compartment
5- while holding the back of the of the roof up, lift up the roof storage compartment door
6- let go of the back of the roof so that it drops right into the storage compartment
7- push the rest of the roof into the storage compartment
8- close the storage compartment door.

To close the roof, follow the steps above in reverse order. Remember: this is a German car, so you use a little bit (or a lot) of force and you won't hurt it (I think it actually likes it ;-D ).

Good Luck!!!

Roman

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05 mustang convert.no open/close,makes clicking sound.2 relays,fuse,switch checked,new motor/hydraulics.Are there other relays,open close sensors? Top works UP when grounded externally, but not DOWN.


Principles of Operation
Convertible top operation is controlled by the smart junction box (SJB). When the convertible top raise/lower switch is operated, the SJB commands the front and rear windows to the full down position. Window operation is disabled while the convertible top raise/lower switch is being operated. When the SJB receives a full down input for both rear windows, it commands the appropriate relay closed to raise or lower the convertible top. If the SJB does not receive a full down input signal for both rear windows, convertible top operation is disabled.
The convertible top assembly is a floating frame, Z-fold design. The main pivot brackets are attached to the body, and the convertible top frame side rails expand or fold when the convertible top is raised or lowered. The LH and RH stay pads are attached to the convertible top frame bows, and provide the main source of tension for the convertible top material. When the convertible top is in the full down position, it stores in the compartment behind the rear seat backrest. When the convertible top is in the full up position, the body provides a stop which the convertible top frame number 5 bow contacts to provide a weather seal for the convertible top against the body.
The convertible top hydraulic system uses a 12-volt reversible pump and motor assembly. When active, the pump uses hydraulic pressure to extend the hydraulic lift cylinders to raise the convertible top, or retract the hydraulic lift cylinders to lower the convertible top. The convertible top motor/pump assembly is equipped with a thermal circuit breaker. The circuit breaker typically resets after 5 minutes depending on the ambient temperature. The thermal circuit breaker cannot be repaired and must be installed as a unit with the motor/pump assembly. In the event of a hydraulic system failure, the convertible top cannot be operated manually.

  1. Verify the customer concern.
  1. Visually inspect for obvious signs of mechanical or electrical damage.


Visual Inspection Chart Mechanical Electrical
  • Convertible top brackets and frame
  • Hydraulic motor and pump
  • Hydraulic lift cylinders
  • Hydraulic lines
  • Bussed electrical center (BEC) fuse(s):
    • 13 (40A)
    • 51 (10A)
  • Circuitry
  • Convertible top switch
  • Smart junction box (SJB)
  • BEC
  • Convertible top raise relay
  • Convertible top lower relay
  • Left or right rear power window motor

  1. If an obvious cause for an observed or reported concern is found, correct the cause (if possible) before proceeding to the next step.
  1. If the cause is not visually evident, connect the diagnostic tool to the data link connector (DLC) and select the vehicle to be tested from the diagnostic tool menu. If the diagnostic tool does not communicate with the vehicle:
    • check that the program card is correctly installed.
    • check the connections to the vehicle.
    • check the ignition switch position.
  1. If the diagnostic tool still does not communicate with the vehicle, refer to the diagnostic tool operating manual.
  1. Carry out the diagnostic tool data link test. If the diagnostic tool responds with:
    • SCP or ISO circuit fault; all electronic control units no response/not equipped, refer to Section 418-00 .
    • No response/not equipped for SJB; refer to Section 419-10 .
    • System passed, retrieve and record the continuous diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs), erase the continuous DTCs, and carry out self-test diagnostics for the smart junction box (SJB).
  1. If the DTCs retrieved are related to the concern, go to the Smart Junction Box (SJB) Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Index.
  1. If no DTCs related to the concern are retrieved, GO to Symptom Chart .
  2. do you know what DTC'S - diagnostic trouble codes are ?
  3. Smart Junction Box (SJB) Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Index DTC Description Source Action B1141 Convertible Top Full Down Position Switch Circuit Failure SJB Go To Pinpoint Test E . B1142 Convertible Top Full Up Position Switch Circuit Failure SJB Go To Pinpoint Test E . B1402 Driver Power Window Down Switch Circuit Failure SJB Go To Pinpoint Test A . B2068 Convertible Top Up Output Circuit Failure SJB Go To Pinpoint Test A . B2069 Convertible Top Down Output Circuit Failure SJB Go To Pinpoint Test A . B2481 Convertible Top Up/Down Switch Fault SJB Go To Pinpoint Test A . B2578 Passenger Power Window Down Switch Circuit Failure SJB Go To Pinpoint Test A . All other DTCs - SJB REFER to Section 419-10 . Your best bet , take it to a qualified repair shop , before you short out the smart junction box .
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Principles of Operation
Convertible top operation is controlled by the smart junction box (SJB). When the convertible top raise/lower switch is operated, the SJB commands the front and rear windows to the full down position. Window operation is disabled while the convertible top raise/lower switch is being operated. When the SJB receives a full down input for both rear windows, it commands the appropriate relay closed to raise or lower the convertible top. If the SJB does not receive a full down input signal for both rear windows, the convertible top operation is disabled.

The convertible top hydraulic system uses a 12 volt reversible pump and motor assembly. When active, the pump uses hydraulic pressure to extend the hydraulic lift cylinders to raise the convertible top, or retract the hydraulic lift cylinders to lower the convertible top. The convertible top motor/pump assembly is equipped with a thermal circuit breaker. The circuit breaker typically resets after 5 minutes depending on the ambient temperature. The thermal circuit breaker cannot be repaired and must be installed as a unit with the motor/pump assembly. In the event of a hydraulic system failure, the convertible top cannot be operated manually.

Inspection and Verification
  1. Verify the customer concern.
  1. Visually inspect for obvious signs of mechanical or electrical damage.


Visual Inspection Chart Mechanical Electrical
  • Convertible top brackets and frame
  • Convertible top latches
  • Convertible top pump and motor assembly
  • Hydraulic lift cylinders
  • Hydraulic lines
  • Bussed electrical center (BEC) fuse(s):
    • 13 (40A)
    • 51 (10A)
  • Circuitry
  • Convertible top pump and motor assembly
  • Convertible top ajar switch
  • Convertible top switch
  • Connector(s)
  • Convertible top raise relay
  • Convertible top lower relay
  • LH or RH rear power window motor
  • Smart junction box (SJB)
  • BEC

  1. If an obvious cause for an observed or reported concern is found, correct the cause (if possible) before proceeding to the next step.
  1. If the cause is not visually evident, connect the scan tool to the data link connector (DLC) and select the vehicle to be tested from the scan tool menu. If the scan tool does not communicate with the vehicle:
    • check that the program card is correctly installed.
    • check the connections to the vehicle.
    • check the ignition switch position.
  1. If the scan tool still does not communicate with the vehicle, refer to the scan tool operating manual.
  1. Carry out the scan tool data link test. If the scan tool responds with:
    • CAN or ISO circuit fault; all electronic control units no response/not equipped, refer to Section 418-00 .
    • No response/not equipped for SJB; refer to Section 419-10 .
    • System passed, retrieve and record the continuous diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs), erase the continuous DTCs, and carry out self-test diagnostics for the SJB.
  1. If the DTCs retrieved are related to the concern, go to the Smart Junction Box (SJB) Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Index.
  1. If no DTCs related to the concern are retrieved, GO to Symptom Chart .
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  3. Your best bet ,take it to a qualified repair shop !

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It is a hydraulic pump that applies pressure to the 2 hydraulic pistons to raise & lower the top. So, check for something obstructing movement first.

The convertible top:
  • is motor-driven.
  • requires parking brake engaged to complete circuit for operation.
  • is equipped with a back window glass (42006) . The back window glass is permanently attached to the folding top back window curtain (52500) and cannot be opened.
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VISUAL INSPECTION CHART Mechanical Electrical
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  • Damaged convertible top regulator.
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  • Damaged convertible top switch.
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  • Damaged folding top hydraulic lift motor and plate kit .


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  • Circuitry open/shorted.
  • Damaged folding top switch.
  • Damaged raise/lower relay .
  • Damaged folding top hydraulic lift motor and plate kit .
  • Parking brake not engaged.


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