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Horn electrics when i turn the steering wheel left or right the horn sounds.

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You have a shorted clockspring, or horn contact reel if you prefer. It is located under the horn pad in the steering wheel and is either a coiled up flat wire or some kind of rotary contact.

Where the steering wheel can be turned several turns, there is no way a normal wire could be used for the horn button, so they use either form of rotary contact.

They are prone to failure, airbags use the same system (airbag computers will detect this and shut the system off so accidental deployment is impossible).

You can take the horn pad off (usually there are a couple of screws holding it in from the bottom of the steering wheel, or sometimes if there are no screws, the horn pad is clipped in and you need to gently pry it off. After you remove the horn pad, you should be able to get a good idea on what's going on...)

If it is a clockspring, it is probably shorted and cannot really be repaired. It must be replaced. If it is some kind of other system, repairs might be possible depending on the setup.

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The ring in the steering column is touching the ground. this is the slip ring that switches your horn. could be a worn out carbon brush also.

remove the steering wheel and you can see what is touching the ring.

tnx 4 using fixya...

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