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Glow plugs wont turn on

I have put 2 new relays in and glow plugs will not turn on with key swich truck will start if i ground it out and get glow plugs hot first

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  • highbarconst Oct 26, 2008

    My glow plugs dont work at all

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They make two relays that will fit but only one will work. Call 772 283-8999 ask for John, He will tell you more than you really want to know, the dude is about the best diesel mechanic I know. You can email him at disinc@fdn.com. Tell him Peppi told you to contact him. If John is not available ask for Ron, he is better at GMC products ( no one is perfect ) but he can help you as well. They are real good guys and will take the time to help and can get parts for anything. Hope this helps

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  • peppi25 Dec 11, 2008

    I forgot to tell you to check and make sure the glow plugs are good. Pull the wires off the glowplugs, take a test light, connect to positive post on battery and to the top of glowplug, if the plug is good the light will come on. If its bunt out it will not, also the glowplug light on dash should stay on for about 10 seconds when you first turn key on, and after motor starts it will cycle again once or twice. If you need new glowplugs DO NOT get them from Ford. They will charge you way to much. Napas are somewhat cheaper. The address for place I told you to call is http://www.dieselinjectionservice.com/. Check there site out you can ask your questions there. They also can get you glowplugs. Good Luck. Peppi

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