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Liquid Propane Gas Conversions - Are they worth it?

Hey, I live in Turkey and the petrol/gas prices on my Toyota Corolla 2001 1.6 L are killing me, because of high taxes imposed - the highest in Europe I am sure.

The locals here are saying an LPG conversion will reduce the life of my engine, have me spending a lot on oil, and in the end be just as expensive as leaving the car as it is. I don't trust these guys, so I am coming to this forum to hear some knowledgable advice. What should I be aware of/cautious of if I get the conversion? Is it safe to have a tank along the bottom of the car instead of in the trunk? Are all conversions equal, or are there better equipment/brands I should ask for?

Thanks for your advice.

Take care, Darryl.

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  • dazzer64 Aug 18, 2008

    What about the engine wear problem?

  • dazzer64 Aug 18, 2008

    Thanks for the advice!

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Hi-

Yes it is a fact that LPG conversion will reduce the life of your engine which is designed for gasoline in the first place.

I live in the Philippines and kits are available here. They reach popularity last year and taking its toll mid 2008, a lot of cars esp taxi's now spend most of the time in repair shops- which causes them more if they had stick with gas.

Regarding if its safe to have a tank on the compartment area or underneath your car, chances are if its under the car if something punctured the tank it may blow, if its in the compartment, its going to eat a lot of space.

Hope this helps

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    Edgar Allan Pagayona Aug 18, 2008

    Conversion is actually modifying an equipment which is not designed for it.

    Gasoline for my gasoline engine,
    Diesel for my diesel engine,
    LPG for my OVEN.

    That's a fact.


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    Edgar Allan Pagayona Aug 18, 2008

    *Power loss - just about everyone complains about LPG power loss and
    just about everyone has their own theory. Mine is that becuase of the
    large volume of gaseous fuel in the induction stroke, the volume of
    oxygen in the induction stroke is displaced (in comparison to the
    air/fuel ratio when using liquid fuel). The fuel starts the burn but
    the oxygen keeps it going, to take out some of the oxygen and voila -
    less power.
    As LPG has an octane rating of about 97, you can advance
    the ignition timing slightly to take advantage of this, lessening the
    power loss a little bit.

    *Valve wear. If your engine was
    designed to run on regular leaded fuel, you need to replace the
    lubricating properties of the lead in your induction mixture when you
    use LPG - just like you SHOULD when you use unleaded. Failure to do so
    will prematurely wear the valve guides & seats. The expensive
    solution is to have the head rebuilt with stailess guides & seats,
    the cheap way is to use a produce such as VALVESAVER - which allows a
    small amount of lubricant to be sucked in with the induction mixture.

    *Consuption
    - even though you are saving 50% on the COST of the fuel, you generally
    will use 30% more fuel. Our Mitsubishi Magna goes 800km on 75 litres of
    petrol OR 450km on 50 litres of LPG. You use more but you pay less. The
    offest in cost will pay itself off... eventually!

    *Bomb in the
    back? There are many stories about LPG tanks exploding and incinerating
    the vehicle occupants, but in reality it is much safer than having a
    tank full of petrol in the car. (read: urban myth) The tanks are
    manufactured to high quality controlled standards and require periodic
    inspection to ensure they are in safe order. If you had seen the metal
    thickness & welding quality of these tanks, you would understand -
    and the safety valve fitted to the tank has the ability to safely dump
    the tanks contents in the event of catastrophic impact.

    *Loss of
    boot space. If you to remove the original fuel tank and run a
    dedicated gas system then this will not be an issue, but if you want
    dual fuel or a petrol backup will have to compromise some space in your
    boot. No 2 ways about it!

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I have a friend that converted his '74 chevy p/u about 15 years ago
it still runs strong. with no excessive oil usage.
most kits are fairly equal, just when you find a brand do a little research to see if there are any bad revues on them.

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Ok, Im here in the Philippines and we have taxis here that have been running for about 2 years now on LPG and they are running fine. The equivalent use of a taxi as to a private car is about 1 is to 5 meaning the taxi is driven 5 times longer and further than an average private car so do the math. Now as for the safety as long as you have regular checkups to look for any leaks your ok. It would be better if you put the tank in the trunk but make sure that it is installed well to prevent leakage into the passenger seats. As of now you cannot say that there are better equipment as there are none that have been tested very long (5 years or more) What you could do is to go to a conversion company that has been liscenced by the government.

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I too have an LPG converter fitted in my car the power of the car die to an extend.

Posted on Aug 18, 2008

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    Legin Varghese Aug 18, 2008

    Advantages over other
    fuels


    The combustion of Autogas is smoother as a result of the higher
    octane content. Unlike other fuels, no additives are required
    to guarantee high quality.

    • Autogas contains no lead and is therefore cleaner
    and leaves no residue.

    • It is actually better than petrol because it reaches
    the engine in pure gas form with improved combustion resulting
    and fewer knocking.

    • With modern technology, there is hardly any discharge
    of carbon monoxide, and compared to petrol and diesel, the
    exhaust fumes contain less harmful substances.

    • The life of the engine is extended as a result of
    the absence of acids and carbon deposits. One can safely state
    that engines on LPG last almost twice than that on Petrol/Gasoline.


    • Less carbon means less fouling of spark plugs and
    points i.e less wear and tear.

    • The engine oil does not become diluted with a consequential
    reduction in servicing costs.

    • Unlike diesel, you do not have to adjust your driving
    style. Cold starting is no problem, engine performance is
    almost exactly the same as with petrol. There is no spilling
    when filling your tank and no possibility of theft or pilfering.
    Engine noise is low and you'll be driving in a more environment-friendly
    way.

    • The environmental advantages of Autogas for automotive
    use are indisputable.

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It's better if it's in the trunk...and the dangers are the same as gasoline...almost all taxi's here run on lpg..just make sure you go to a reputable shop listen carefully and follow their instructions

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