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Internal malfunction there was an internal malfunction in my radiator which leaked coolant into the transmission! Awesome! There is only 36,500 miles on it and guess what? Dodge won't cover it on my 3/36,000 warranty.....

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Unfortunately they aren't obliged to do so, but it seems like a dealership that values its customers would do this for you (at least the labor) since you're only 500 miles over the warranty period.

I am guessing your car is an automatic - most automatic cars have a transmission cooler built into the radiator. If you look on the back side of the radiator,along the end tanks, you'll probably see some small-diameter hoses attached to it - these run to and from the transmission to supply gear oil for cooling. Probably an internal partition in the radiator failed, causing the fluid mixing. You'll need a new radiator if this is the case, plus you'll need to fully flush and refill both the coolant system and the transmission.

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WHERE COOLANT LEAKS OCCUR
Coolant leaks can occur anywhere in the cooling system. Nine out of ten times, coolant leaks are easy to find because the coolant can be seen dripping, spraying, seeping or bubbling from the leaky component. Open the hood and visually inspect the engine and cooling system for any sign of liquid leaking from the engine, radiator or hoses. The color of the coolant may be green, orange or yellow depending on the type of antifreeze in the system. The most common places where coolant may be leaking are:
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Hoses -- Cracks, pinholes or splits in a radiator hose or heater hose will leak coolant. A hose leak will usually send a stream of hot coolant spraying out of the hose. A corroded hose connection or a loose or damaged hose clamp may also allow coolant to leak from the end of a hose. Sometimes the leak may only occur once the hose gets hot and the pinhole or crack opens up.

Freeze plugs -- These are the casting plugs or expansion plugs in the sides of the engine block and/or cylinder head. The flat steel plugs corroded from the inside out, and may develop leaks that are hard to see because of the plug's location behind the exhaust manifold, engine mount or other engine accessories. On V6 and V8 blocks, the plugs are most easily inspected from underneath the vehicle.

Heater Core -- The heater core is located inside the heating ventilation and air conditioning (HVAC) unit under the dash. It is out of sight so you cannot see a leak directly. But if the heater core is leaking (or a hose connection to the heater core is leaking), coolant will be seeping out of the bottom of the HVAC unit and dripping on the floor inside the passenger compartment. Look for stains or wet spots on the bottom of the plastic HVAC case, or on the passenger side floor.

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