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Noticeable Vibration and hum in my jaguar x type 2005 standard sedan when the car goes over 55mph and increases in intensity when it goes over 60 and 70. Dose not stop ....all the way to 110mph I just purchased the car and it has done this since the first time driving in it. Went to a reputable tire dealer. Their mechanic said that the inside of the tread on the tires were worn uneven and that Bridgestone tires are hard as well that makes any tire problem worse. SO they said I should buy new Michelin tires that will solve the problem. So, I bought a set o, but same sound with the Michelin's and now my wallet is making unpleasant sounds as well!! I took it to a Transmission repair place per the mechanic at the tire place suggested. The owner of the Trans business drovemy X-Type and said he is not sure. Maybe drive shaft out of balance. Anyway of finding out if this is a common problem? And most importantly what to check for to fix it?

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  • Norm Calfin Mar 22, 2011

    As I mentioned I just put a brand new set of Michelin tires that were high speed balanced. So I think the balance on all 4 tires is fine.

    If the tires were out of alignment wouldn't the car drift to other lanes if I let go of the wheel?
    Why didn't this very large tire and auto service dealer (Bell Tires) ....I suggested that the alignment should be checked right away. They did not think it was necessary.

  • Norm Calfin Mar 22, 2011

    Noticeable Vibration and hum in my jaguar x type 2005 standard sedan when the car goes over 55mph and increases in intensity when it goes over 60 and 70. Dose not stop ....all the way to 110mph

    I just purchased the car and it has done this since the first time driving in it. Went to a reputable tire dealer. Their mechanic said that the inside of the tread on the tires were worn uneven and that Bridgestone tires are hard as well that makes any tire problem worse. SO they said I should buy new Michelin tires that will solve the problem. So, I bought a set o, but same sound with the Michelin's and now my wallet is making unpleasant sounds as well!!

    I took it to a Transmission repair place per the mechanic at the tire place suggested. The owner of the Trans business drovemy X-Type and said he is not sure. Maybe drive shaft out of balance.

    Anyway of finding out if this is a common problem? And most importantly what to check for to fix it?

  • Norm Calfin Mar 22, 2011

    I did not see your second answer to get an alignment.... I assume you mean all four wheels?
    this is an all wheel drive car.

  • Norm Calfin Mar 22, 2011

    okay, I will try your ideas.

    the most cost effective way of doing it I think is to have the alignment done on all 4 wheels.
    Test drive.
    The trans guy said if it was a bearing, i should hear and feel it at any speed.
    With that said I will do what you suggested

    If all this does not work, how can I reach you tomorrow?

  • Norm Calfin Mar 22, 2011

    Thanks for your advice. I am going back today to the dealer were I bought my new tires.
    I just bought this car 3 weeks ago.

    I am getting two different theories on tire rotation. They said, the reason that the original Bridge Stone tires wore unevenly on the inside is due to the fact that the person who owned this car before NEVER rotated them...front to back same side front to back. He said after 5k miles he should have rotated them. However, these tires looked almost brand new! Furthermore, according to the person I bought it from said he put only about 1,000 miles on them.

    This person, assistant manager, also said that I must rotate these Michelin tires every 5,000 miles or they will wear out quicker and become uneven as did the Bridge Stones that came with the car. These touring Michelin tires are almost top of the line - 55,000 mile guarantee.

    So....please help me figure this out " To Rotate or Not to rotate? that is the question"

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There are shops that specialize in balancing driveshafts, and you can find them locally by googling them-try 'balance driveshaft', I have used this service
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http://www.dennysdriveshaft.com/frequently_asked_questions.html

other possibilities are your alignment, since you said that your Bridgestones were not worn properly, or you might have a bearing that is making the noise. Consider the possibility the rear is the cause of the noise as well, and have the differential serviced. Your description does does sound like the driveshaft, though. If the drive shaft had been removed and not replaced exactly as it was before removal ('phased') it can cause vibration, try to find out if it had ever been removed before-was the trans out? How many miles? Lastly do the brakes feel smooth? Does the vibration go away when you lightly 'touch' the brakes? Try getting it up to 70-75 mph and carefully put the car in neutral, does the vibration go away? If it does, it suggests a driveline issue such as motor or trans mounts. You could try putting the rear of the car up on jackstands and run it out to 70 mph to see if the vibration is better, worse or the same-might be the angle of the driveshaft, or a suspension issue.

Posted on Mar 22, 2011

  • mike mountain Mar 22, 2011

    If I took off tires that were not properly worn, I'd at least have the alignment checked-being worn in the middle suggests alignment, and under inflation can not cause this, so why take a chance with a new set of Michelins? It might solve it. As to the comment about bearings making noise at all speeds, that is correct to a point-but higher speeds create heat not present at lower speeds, so i'd reserve judgement on that, it is a little far-fetched but possible. You tried touching the brakes when it happened, no difference? (warped rotor?) you tried coasting in neutral at high speed, no difference? After the alignment is checked, I'd have to lean towards the driveshaft needing balancing then...

  • mike mountain Mar 22, 2011

    correction I meant to say tire wear was on the insides, not middle- that is an alignment issue, if it was just the middle that is caused by too high inflation

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If the drive shaft was out of balance, it would always have done this from day one, because the weight never changes.
It is did not and does now, then something changed, and not likely the shaft weight.
Most common are the universal joints and center support bearing in the drive shaft.

But that does not leave out a possible problem with the wheels or suspension yet.
The tread should not have been worn unevenly.
So it is possible there is an alignment or loose suspension bushing problem, which cases the odd tire wear. There should not be uneven tire wear.
All looseness should be checked for and an alignment done.

By the way, one common cause of this problem is rotating tires.
Never do that.
Once you have tires on one side of a car, they can not be put on the other without causing premature wear and noise, due to belt stretching when you brake.
Similarly rotating front to back is also stressful to tires and should not be done, but is not quite as bad.

Posted on Mar 22, 2011

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    Kirk Augustin Mar 22, 2011

    By the way, I assume the tires are have also been balances dynamically, and there is no bent rim or anything? Do not over torque lug nuts either, as that can warp rotors. If you feel vibration through the steering wheel, it is not drive line but then front suspension, and could include wheel bearings as well.
    All wheels should be checked for bearing looseness by jacking up and sideways motion.

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    Kirk Augustin Mar 22, 2011

    It is not that hard to check drive shaft balance because all you have to do is put it on a lift and take it up to speed with the wheels off the ground.
    This will eliminate everything but the driveline. Tires, suspension, and alignment won't matter.
    But stay away from the drive shaft. Can be very dangerous.
    Just listen from a distance.

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Hi, the problem lies within Suspension problem, tire problem, alignment problem.
Check tire condition noting tread wear,tire pressure, wheel balance, alignment. My money is on one of your tires is not balanced properly. If these don't solve the problem start looking at the suspension but i strongly believe i is your alignment.....

Posted on Mar 22, 2011

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    Tunde Autos Mar 22, 2011

    Yes, let them check the alignment.....

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    Tunde Autos Mar 22, 2011

    ????

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