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I have 1999 dodge stratus it was actint like my engine was going to come out of my car and my whole car shock so the next thing the check engine light come on so i had it tested and it thrown 3 cylinder code so i changed the plugs and wires coil and fuel injectors and a hose and still acting up can you tell me what else to do

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  • bmalc Aug 02, 2008

    do i replaced all the cylinders or the hole head . or what do i need to do

  • bmalc Aug 02, 2008

    would it do all this if it was out of time and still run?

  • bmalc Aug 02, 2008

    the hole car is shacking but when the hood is open you can see that the engine is moving put new oil,gas ,injector cleaner and transmission fliud the bad part is i still owe 1100 dollars on this car and no warranty buying as is and i am having to put all this money out on this car and this isnt the first time this car was down first time head was gone and put new one in it had it for two months then got it run in june and now back down again and dont know what else to do

  • bmalc Aug 02, 2008

    had test done only 50% of the 3rd cylinder is working

  • bmalc Aug 02, 2008

    when you start the car it smells like it is getting to much gas but when you go to the back of car the car sounds like it isnt getting enough of gas

  • bmalc Aug 02, 2008

    at compression test it only said 50% of it is working

  • bmalc Aug 03, 2008

    i wanted to tell everyone who has helped me thank you i am very grateful for your comments and things that you have said to do. i am going to try the things you had told me and go from there if i need any more help after all of this i will let you know and post a new problem again thank you.

  • bmalc Aug 03, 2008

    it is shaking in all gears but not as bad in drive or r it is worst in park

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Dear Sir, you problem is complicated and out of our hands reach, best thing is for u to take it to the garage instead of wasting time here.

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Does the car roupg idle or anything. or does it just shake. if it just shakes does it shake in all gears. lik put it into rev.than drive.

Posted on Aug 03, 2008

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    Cameron Viseth Aug 03, 2008

    while you are looking at the engine. look at your motor mounts. it could be as simple as one being broke to cause the engine to shake...... just a thought but you miight look.

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At least one cylinder is not working. Check spark plugs and cables one by one. If all ok measure compression ratio of each cylinder. If a cylinder's pressure is low its corresponding inlet or exhaust valves, may be worn. Valve cover must be removed to figure out but it is better to take it to a repair station than doing thiw work yourself.

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No for real i would just change the head(cylinder) you would have bent a rod or warped the head or burnt the cylinders its cheaper and easier to get a new or reconditioned head as fixing it it needs to be shaved and tested and cracked tested all that u need any more info just give me a bell

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Yes your car could still run, but be out of time. You have a valve opening at the wrong exact time causing your problems. If you have recently had a timing replacement, then you should check that first. You could also have a bent/worn/damaged valve that could also cause this same problem.

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I would say your best bet is buying a used engine with a warranty from a junkyard or engine place. Depending on your expertise it will most likely save you alot of time and money. I would also recommend picking up the factory service manual. Ebay will have them for relatively cheap.
Thanks let me know if you need anything else,
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Lee

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    Lee A. Aug 02, 2008

    Well you can get a used motor from a junkyard and install it cheaper then replacing the head. All of these options that you are being given will cost you money and possibly not fix the problem. A used engine will solve your problem for sure. Its a dodge avenger, i wouldn't keep throwing money in a dodge motor. Just so you know when you reject a solution your basically rejecting the experts help. So please choose wisely.
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Could you be more clear on what you mean by 50% of the third cylinder is working? Do you mean it has 50% compression? Or is the third cylinder only firing half (%50) of the time? Please elaborate.

Posted on Aug 02, 2008

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    Ryan Rogers Aug 02, 2008

    These are questions, not solutions, so don't rate me until I post a solution. Thanks

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    Ryan Rogers Aug 02, 2008

    With 50% compression you will have damage to a ring, valve, or head gasket. Dodge cars are notorious for the external timing belt stretching, breaking, or jumping a tooth and damaging the valves. You're going to have to pull the head to find the extent of the damage. There is no other option.

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    Ryan Rogers Aug 02, 2008

    I would take it back to the shop you had the head done at. There is a special tool that is used to set the tension on the timing belt, and it's not the easiest thing in the world to do. If they didn't have the tool or didn't get the tension set properly, then this could be their fault, and they should take resposibility. I speak from personal experience, a freind and I screwed his Intreped up by not having the tool and setting the tension too loose, it jumped three teeth and ruined every valve on the right bank. I wouldn't recommend driving it, you could do more damage.

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    Ryan Rogers Aug 05, 2008

    Have you taken it back to the shop yet?

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The first thing you need to do is establish that the timing belt hasn't jumped a tooth or stripped a tooth, a siezed water pump can cause this to happen.
Once you have established that the belt is OK and the valve timing is OK you need to get a compression test done on all four cylinders. The cylinders should develop an equal amount of pressure and obviously if one is down then that is the faulty one.
Good pressure is anything from 140 to 160lbs per square inch, if any of the cylinders are below this you can carryout a secondary test (wet test) on the bad cylinder, by squirting a small amount of oil into the cylinder before testing it.
If you see no improvement on the results you can reasonably assume valve stem and valve guide wear, if you see a marked improvement in the reading you can assume piston ring wear.
Any competent mechanic should know how to carryout a compression test including both dry and wet tests.

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  • Richard Finch Aug 02, 2008

    If a cylinder is down by 50% that would suggest a valve stuck open.

    If the engine actually runs and you can hear a popping sound from the exhaust pipe then the chances are it's an exhaust valve stuck open.

    Your only course of action with this problem is to remove the cylinder head and over haul it, any good machine shop should be able to plane the head, cut the valve seats and lap the valves in for you for a resonable price.

    The last one I had done about 8 or 9 months ago cost me $116 for the whole job from the machine shop and a few hours of my time putting the head back on.

  • Richard Finch Aug 02, 2008

    This is one of the best places I have found online for spares like cylinder head gasket sets.

    http://www.rockauto.com/

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As odd as this may sound make sure that you have plenty of fresh correct grade oil, transmission fluid, and check your knock sensors could also be timing problem or a loss of fuel in one of your cylinders... where does the violent shaking feel like its coming from?

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The timing belt may have jumped.

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The cylinder rings may be in bad shape, this will explain the mess

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    Ginko Aug 02, 2008

    To find out if the noise come fro the cylinders you short a cylinder and listen if you get any change in the sound.To correct the
    problem
    the oil pan and cylinder head must be removed, then thereis quite enough job to do.In this case pistons, rings, connecting rods, wrist pins or rod bearings may be damaged. Often, in this conditions, an engine with over 80K miles is not cost effective or risk free enough to be worth to repair.

    Check carefully if the noise instesd comes from vibration, fuel pump , etc.



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    Ginko Aug 02, 2008

    The engine has not compression may also be due to head gasket, when it is head gasket the engine cosume water very fast, and often you see white smoke from the gasket.
    Check also inoise comes fromcamshaft drive belt.
    Here are two links on how to diagnose engine noise:


    Engine Noise

    What's that noise, Diagnosis of car noises
    My pesonal opinion:
    If there is to change the head gasket, the part is cheap, even if there is some work to do, working on cylinders if there is a big problem is not worth, usually this kind of fault cause serious collateral damages, usually valves vor example get damaged. In this case the best is finding an engine and replace the whole block.
    Check fuel pump, if it is faulty also makes rattling noise and you smell fuel.



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    Ginko Aug 02, 2008

    You can check if the problem is from pump or gasket, if the noise is from camshaft or engine you can take the car to a mechanic for an estimate. If it is not worth the repair, replace the engine.
    To check what cylinder fails replace spark plugs and check which one is burned.


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