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Brake pedal goes all the way to the floor, will slow the car a little, but wont fully brake. master cylinder is fine, calipers and pads are new, brake lines look okay, it's holding brake fluid fine, lines have been bled multiple times, and we can't find a leak anywhere. Any ideas why my brakes still wont work? I'm pulling my hair out trying to figure this out! Thanks!

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Must be something you have overlooked. clamp off the front brake hoses and rear hose. if you dont have the propper clamps use g clamps or locking pliars. try the pedal then. if it still goes to the floor its either air in the lines or the master cylinder is no good..Bleed the master cylinder at the lines first,then work back.

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