Question about 2002 Pontiac Firebird
How do I remove the inside door panel on the driver side without doing any damage to the panel?
Then, how do I go about removing the window motor once this is done?
Then, how do I put the panel back in place?
Where can I get a copy of the dealer service manual procedure?
The repair manual I have does not show me how to do this.
Thanks for your time!
I hope you're talking about the interior trim door panel and not the metal structure of the door. Be forwarned that a special body rivet tool is required. You can not get this tool at your local hardware or autoparts store. Also, you will most likely need to adjust the window once the replacement is made. If you are unsure how to do this, you may be better off taking it to a shop.
To remove the panel, you must remove the manual door lock slide and the screw behind the door handle. Remove the panel that contains the window/lock/mirror controls, then remove the screw under the panel. There should be a screw in the door map pocket. Carefully pry the push fasteners from around the edges of the panel from the door. The panel should push straight up. Be careful with the door handle and the wires for the lock/window/mirror controls and speaker.
The window motor and regulator must be removed as a unit. Drill out the rivets that hold the assembly. Disconnect the wire to the window motor. Remove the bolts to the regulator channels. Use one hand to support the glass while you remove the assembly.
You can not get a copy of the dealer service manual procedure unless you know someone or buy a similar manual. It would be cheaper to pay someone to replace your window motor!
R/R the motor on the regulator is easy. Once you change out the motor, replace the motor/regulator assembly into the door and window. Don't forget to connect the wire! Replace the rivets and adjust the window. Replace the door panel, making sure each hook and the door handle and manual lock rod line up.
Good luck and hope this helps.
Posted on Aug 08, 2008
Adjusting the Side Windows
Eggplant Jeff Mar 31 2006 - 5:47pm
This is one of the most frustrating things on the
good old thirdgen. There are a ton of things to adjust, and it takes
hours of trial and error to figure out what bolts do what. So here is a
description that will hopefully save you some time.
So as not to confuse anyone, here's what I mean when I mention a direction. I also generally assume you're working on the inside... I.E. sitting on the seat and facing the door.
UP - toward the sky
DOWN - toward the ground
FRONT - toward the front of the car
REAR - toward the rear of the car
Removing the interior panel:
To adjust anything, you'll need to remove the interior panel from the door. First remove anything on it, I.E. the arm rest, the trim around the power lock and window controls, etc. Around the side edges and bottom edge, the panel is held on with push-in plastic things. Just pry the panel gently away from the metal of the door, using your fingers or a screwdriver. The push-in pieces are about 5 inches apart, the entire way around the three edges, so pry a little, move over, pry some more, etc. It doesn't take a whole lot of force.
Now take the panel out by angling it out at the bottom, and sliding UP and OUT at the top. There are three or four places that the plastic trim across the top hooks over the metal of the door. Just press upward and outward and you should get it unhooked. It is necessary to have the window rolled all the way down at this point.
Now that the panel is removed, you'll see a plastic sheet (unless it's been removed). You'll have to peel that back (it's attached with adhesive) so you can get your hands and tools into the openings in the sheet metal of the door.
What you can adjust:
There are five major items you can adjust that control the movement and placement of the window. If you have a hard time finding some of them, watch the tracks move while rolling the window up and down a few times. If you still can't find them, ask me (Eggplant Jeff) in the tech board.
Adjusting #5 is the hardest so I'll describe that first.
Loosen the two bolts. You'll probably have to loosen them a LOT to get the track to move, and jiggle it a lot. DON'T remove the bolts though! The washers on them have metal spikes on the face so they act like lockwashers, also means they don't slide real easy. But the track is under a little tension (I assume from the weight of the glass) and I doubt you'd ever get it to line up again if you remove the bolts all the way.
Anyway, these two bolts allow the mounting point to slide IN and OUT. Keep in mind that this adjustment moves the window in the opposite direction (moving the mounting points OUT moves the window IN). Adjustments should always be small, the window is very large compared to the track so a small change in the track location moves the window quite a bit.
#1, #2, #3, and #4 are fairly straightforward to adjust. However I would recommend adjusting #4 and #5 first, and every time you make an adjustment roll the window up and down a couple times to make sure you like the way it looks when in motion.
When adjusting #3 and #5, put the interior panel back before test-rolling the window up and down (you don't need to put the armrest and trim back). This is because the pressure of the panel against the glass alters how the glass is angled. I had to find this out the hard way... thought I had it working perfect, reassembled everything, it was screwed up. This is even more important when adjusting #3 since those only control the fully closed position of the glass.
#1, #2, and #4 can be adjusted without putting the interior panel back, since they only control the front/rear angle of the glass, not the in/out angle.
The #3's should not press against the glass when it is moving. This can cause the motor (or your arm) undue strain.
What to look for:
The glass should move smoothly up and down, it shouldn't change angle (either front/back or in/out) sharply when it hits the final stops.
When the door is open slightly (an inch) the glass should be parallel to the weatherstripping, it shouldn't touch the rubber before the door is closed, and it shouldn't angle out from the rubber with the door fully closed. Check this at several points of the window's travel... I.E. with the window 3 inches up, 6 inches up, 9 inches up, fully up.
The door shouldn't rattle excessively. For whatever reason, when my window was maladjusted the door rattled more than normal. When I adjusted it correctly, the rattles quieted a lot. There are other things that can make the door rattle but maladjusted windows will do it too.
The windows shouldn't leak excessively. Obviously this depends on the condition of the weather stripping as well as the adjustment of t-tops (if you have them) but if too much air leaks, try angling the glass to press in slightly (#3 and #5) or if it leaks more from the rear or the front, angle the glass slightly to the rear or the front (#1,#2,#4).
Posted on May 10, 2009
How do I adjust window after replacing motor 2002 firebird
Posted on Mar 20, 2009
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