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Check again the ignition installation. The ignition switch might be separated from the back of the lock cylinder.
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Hi, I don't see anything in the wiring diagram to cause this behavior except the ignition switch itself. I recommend you check for power to the coil in both the start and run positions of the switch. You can use a 12 volt test light for that purpose. Hook the test light clip to engine ground and touch the probe to the yellow wire on the coil. If you do have power in both positions of the switch, the problem may be with an anti-theft system that is not showing on the wiring diagram. If you had an anti-theft system that was acting up, there would probably be a light blinking on the dash. Please let me know if you have questions and thanks for using FixYa.
Hi, see if the fuel pump is working properly. Have someone turn the key on and listen by the gas tank if you hear the pump working. Keep in mind that it can still work but not have enough pressure to keep the truck running. It should only run a second or two, then shut off. If it runs longer than that, you might want to test the fuel pressure. If it shuts off in a second or two, replace the fuel filter and see if that helps.
Most time it is as a result of a clogged fuel filter that needs replacement..
When the car stops driving,
at that time check the starter, if its got very hot, then this can be starter
over heating issue. There are many other things to be checked.
Try this troubleshooting:
----If your engine cranks normally but
will not start because it has no spark, or it stalls and won't restart because
it has no spark, the problem may be due to any of the following:
1)
A bad pickup inside the distributor, a stripped distributor drive gear (common
problem with plastic distributor drive gears), broken, loose or corroded wires
from the pickup to the ignition module or PCM. 2) A bad crankshaft position (CKP)
sensor or broken, loose or corroded wires from the sensor to the PCM. 3) A bad ignition module or A bad ignition coil .
4)
A bad rotor or distributor cap (cracks or carbon tracks that are allowing the
spark to short to ground). 5) Faulty ignition
switch.
------------
You
can also do a test to confirm the problem .The procedure to do the test is as
follows: --
If
your engine has spark plug wires, disconnect one of the plug wires from a spark
plug and place the end of the wire near a metal surface on the engine. Then
insert a small Phillips screwdriver into the end of the wire (the plug boot),
or a small bolt or nail to provide a conductive path. Then crank the engine and
look for a spark to jump from the screwdriver, bolt or nail in the end of the
plug wire to the engine. If you do not see a spark, there is an ignition
problem.
OR---If your engine
has a coil-on-plug ignition system with no plug wires, In that case remove
one of the coils from the spark plug and insert an old spark plug, a spark plug
tester or a screwdriver into the end of the coil. Ground the spark plug or plug
tester to the engine, then crank the engine and look for a spark. No spark
indicates an ignition problem. Possibilities to be checked in this problem are
as follows:-- If the engine has no spark, check for voltage at the coil
positive terminal when the ignition key is on. If NO voltage, then problem is
on the trigger side of the coil (pickup, crank sensor, ignition module or
primary wiring circuit).But If there is NO voltage at the coil itself, then in
that case the problem is on the supply side (the ignition switch or ignition
wiring circuit). But if the coil has
voltage, then problem may be a bad high voltage output wire from the coil to
the distributor, hairline cracks in the coil output tower, or cracks or carbon
tracks inside the distributor cap or on the rotor. ------A car that cranks over
but doesn't start, in many cases will be due to a bad fuel pump, a broken
timing belt, an inoperative cam sensor or crank sensor. Also these problems are
related to faulty spark plug. Check the spark at spark plugs when you start the
car. Do you notice any spark. Actually you should see. If in case there is no
spark then it's a spark plug problem. Also the coil pack gives power to spark
plug. So check the voltage at coil pack. It will show 12 volt. If there is no
voltage noticed at coil pack then its faulty coil pack that has to be replaced.
If all the possible options checked out ok then check the car starter. The
starter gets power from battery to start the car. If the starter is faulty then
it will not let the car to start. Also check and confirm that there is fuel in
the car. If its very low fuel then in some cases this causes the problem. Also
check and confirm that fuel pump is functioning properly and the fuel filter is
not clogged. One of the easiest ways to check for a fuel pump related problem
is to spray a little starting fluid into the air intake while trying to start
the car. If the car starts momentarily, then there's a good chance the fuel
pump is not working or the car is out of gas. You can also listen for the fuel
pump's humming sound when the key is first turned on. Also if a inoperative
fuel pump is suspected, a good technician will always check to verify there is
power and ground being supplied to the pump, to eliminate the possibility of a
bad relay or electrical issue. Fuel pressure can be checked with a pressure
gauge and if there is pressure, pulse can be checked at the fuel injectors in
several ways including the most common, with the use of noid lights. If the
injectors don't have pulse the engine won't start.---------- This
troubleshooting tips will help you to solve the problem. Thanks. Helpmech.
If your engine cranks normally but will
not start because it has no spark, or it stalls and won't restart because it
has no spark.
You can also do a test to confirm the
problem .The procedure to do the test is as follows:--- If your
engine has spark plug wires, disconnect one of the plug wires from a spark plug
and place the end of the wire near a metal surface on the engine. Then insert a
small Phillips screwdriver into the end of the wire (the plug boot), or a small
bolt or nail to provide a conductive path. Then crank the engine and look for a
spark to jump from the screwdriver, bolt or nail in the end of the plug wire to
the engine. If you do not see a spark, there is an ignition problem. OR----------- If your engine has a
coil-on-plug ignition system with no plug wires, In that case remove one
of the coils from the spark plug and insert an old spark plug, a spark plug
tester or a screwdriver into the end of the coil. Ground the spark plug or plug
tester to the engine, then crank the engine and look for a spark. No spark
indicates an ignition problem.If the engine has no spark, check for
voltage at the coil positive terminal when the ignition key is on. If NO
voltage, then problem is on the trigger side of the coil (pickup, crank sensor,
ignition module or primary wiring circuit).
But If there is NO voltage at the coil
itself, then in that case the problem is on the supply side (the ignition
switch or ignition wiring circuit).-----------------
Jeep cranks but no start:---------------- A jeep that cranks over but doesn't start, in many cases will be
due to a bad fuel pump, a broken timing belt, an inoperative cam sensor or
crank sensor. Also these problems are related to faulty spark plug. Check the
spark at spark plugs when you start the jeep. Do you notice any spark. Actually
you should see. If in case there is no spark then it's a spark plug problem.
Also the coil pack gives power to spark plug. So check the voltage at coil
pack. It will show 12 volt. If there is no voltage noticed at coil pack then
its faulty coil pack that has to be replaced. If all the possible options
checked out ok then check the car starter. The starter gets power from battery
to start the jeep. If the starter is faulty then it will not let the car to
start. Also check and confirm that there is fuel in the jeep. If its very low
fuel then in some cases this causes the problem. Also check and confirm that
fuel pump is functioning properly and the fuel filter is not clogged. One of
the easiest ways to check for a fuel pump related problem is to spray a little
starting fluid into the air intake while trying to start the jeep. If the car
starts momentarily, then there's a good chance the fuel pump is not working or
the jeep is out of gas. You can also listen for the fuel pump's humming sound
when the key is first turned on. Also if a inoperative fuel pump is suspected,
a good technician will always check to verify there is power and ground being
supplied to the pump, to eliminate the possibility of a bad relay or electrical
issue. Fuel pressure can be checked with a pressure gauge and if there is
pressure, pulse can be checked at the fuel injectors in several ways including
the most common, with the use of noid lights. If the injectors don't have pulse
the engine won't start. ---------- This troubleshooting tips will help you to solve the problem. Thanks.
Helpmech.
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thanks for the fuel pump idea, but I've varified fuel flow. Feel the problem is electical. Particularly since I have spark to my plugs while the key is in the "start" position, but when I let it go back to the "run" position the spark is gone and engine stops.
what is the explanation for spark to plugs being present while key in "start" and not when it's in "run"? Can't help but think the answer to that question will point to the solution. Seems to be plenty of fuel flow.
Thanks
My first thought was the ignition switch however replaced and same problem continues. I do not have an anti-theft feature. Thanks
will do tomorrow AM. Currently raining cats and dogs here in Virginia.. Thanks
double checked ignition switch and it was okay, as was fuel pump. Decided to take to a local mechanic. At present it looks like the problem was a bad wire coming out of the alternator, combined with a possibly faulty alternator (checking that out tomorrow). Apparently when the ignition switch is moved to "start" an electical pulse goes to the fuel pump relay energizing it and starting the fuel pump. When the key went to the "run" position that pulse was lost and the fuel pump would shut off, stopping the engine. As long as I held the key in the "start" the pulse was maintained, but not otherwise.
When the mechanic fixed the faulty wire (contact poor and wire frayed) the engine kept running even when key was in the "run" position. However he suspects the alternator may also be faulty and taking it to a shop tomorrow for confirmation.
I'll follow this up as I learn more.
thanks
Back up and running. Appears the core problem was the alternator shorting out. Replaced and everything working okay now.
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