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Engine cooling fan run all the time when car is running. had t stat replaced recently. what controls the fan relay?. unplug coolant sensor and fan stays running. need a wiring diag.

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Hi, the relay is turned on by the PCM based on data from the coolant temperature sensor. Disconnecting the sensor sends the computer into safe mode so it keeps the fan on. Check the sensor wire continuity to the PCM. If good, try replacing the sensor. Please let me know if you have more questions.
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Here is the electrical schematic and how it all is suppose to work,
If you need any further help please contact me Thank you,Randy If you find this information helpful please give me a good rating

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