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My car takes at least 3 cranks to start. I had it tuned up and had the fuel injectors tested. The fuel injectors were fine and the fuel pump pressure is fine.

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3 times rings a bell,thinking cam sensor,so timing is wrong ,1out of 3 seems to be what they do.
Have to get it on a read out tho,(scanner) Your shop should have one

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I have a 1997 suzuki sidekick JX 4×4 and it was running fine I had the computer checked and the o2 sensor and a calorie converter needed to be changed so I did that and it was running great and I turned it...


wont crank or cranks fast but will not start???????????????
2door or 4 doors? (wired diffr they are)
its an old car, and most fail this old. "entropy"
first off, 3 things must be good on this old engine.
1: compression. at above 150 psi, 180 warm not 80.
if compression is low an all 4 cylinders (G16b engine) the cam belt slipped, do to owers not changing belt at 60,000 miles !
2: bad spark, test for spark at all 4 cylinder yet? if bad spark
use a scan tool and see why, cranking for 5 seconds. P03xx errors?
at this point the engine runs on test fuel. does it?

3: bad fueling , too much or too little or none)
is engine flooding, spark tips wet,
no dry, and test fuel runs car for 3 seconds.
ok that means the pump is dead, or weak
caused by (again a real 60k tuneup skipped, the filter)
replace filter. omg got 30psi pump pressure,
lets say pump pressure is still weak, lets say 15psi, (failed)
i check pump voltage cranking, omg, got 8v. the wires
behind left rear tail light (2door) pink wires or ground there bad.
ok got 12vdc to pump. but is weak
i then check FPR, fuel pump reg on fuel rail. i find it is stuck wide open, a new FPR gets pressure to 30 running and 40 not running.
fixed.
no the FPR is ok, the pump is bad. (last, pumps is last in my book as the work is long and hard, and why do that if , its not bad. as most all seem to do on forums.)

no start has 50 causes.
see scotty do the TEST FUEL test.

http://www.fixkick.com/nostart.html


we dont know what checked filter and pump means.
1: filter is there and looks pretty?
2: pump makes noise?
we use a fuel pressure gauge for 20 bucks.

all 9 pump tests are here, and the there tests for injector leakdown
and injector balance tests. all off one tool.
not starting can even be, leaking injector, folding 1 cylinder bad.

http://www.fixkick.com/INJECTORS/pump.html

Mar 23, 2015 | 1997 Suzuki Sidekick

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1998 jeep grand cherokee will not turn over but fuel pump is fine


fine? ( 30 to 40PSI , fine, not squirt tests or sounds)

EFI demands full pressure all the time, its not like carb cars of old.

first off, no engine stated ,so all help will be poor, all cars have engine options.. to work on any car , open hood, (USA commenter) and look up see that EPA sticker there, and the engine ID< and displacement?



That is first. (ill pretend , you drove to my shop and what id do)

i ask owner, when\'s the last time car was a daily driver?, last week or last decade>? (bad fuel, etc,....happens)



i stick finger in air, its 50F, not -40F air temp, ok not in Canada. cool. er its hot...

i open hood and see a I6 4.0L engine, with EFI. ok.



2: i check all the fuses. it\'s EFI and blown fuses, will kill the show.

3: i turn the key , and check engine lamp glows, (ECU is happy)

(ecu has juice , so boots and glows CEL, to say so)



4: i crank it, it cranks over 250 RPM, sounds like normal fast cranking

we all know that sound, we dont use the tachometer...



5: i then ask owner , evah\' tune it up this decade, answer no.

SSDD !

i then do the tune up, plugs were ratty. all spark parts, filters.

we dont use $100/hr labor to find ratty spark parts the install them

its called a tune up.



car runs like new. (end story) no?

or it was tuned up;.

so, i check spark it is blue-white on my test spark plug (new) times 6.

i then check spark timing, it\'s dead on, good, if off i fix that first.



if timing is off on most cars i check compression as some like

to slip cam timing. (i saw a V6 once with plastic timing gears. once burned ,twice shy , i check it all) (i do a compression test on all old motors. so I can see TRUTH, and potential future LIFE of engine)



ok, spark is perfect,please note my order, good motor?, good spark?

with bad motors and spark the fuel can not burn, not fully.



then, i try "test fuel" (can-o-spray) car runs for 3 seconds. and stalls.



my gosh, the motor and spark were good. verrroooooom stall....



(btw, this here, logic flow is bad on DOHC motors, 99% true) ask



i check spark plug tips and they are dry. (wet is flooding)

DRY !

i suspect low or no fuel pressure, i know from experience

that fuel pumps about 75% do not run only key on, only cranking

and running they run. so i check pressure.



i find its 10psi.

the story gets longer for flooding or injectors tests, ill skip that.. ask.

so 10psi,. i find

1: 12v to pump is really just 6v, if fix bad connector up stream from pump. done.

2: if 12v to pump cranking, mine was 11v, but the starter does that. drop so is ok. (study starting systems) , its good line voltage is good. cranking.



3: i then check the fuel pressure reg, and find the thing stuck wide open , i replace the reg. and pressure is 34 PSI (wild guess. didnt look yours up. ) car runs prefect now.

or

4: i find FPreg ok, but pump is weak, new pump saves day..

i have a scope and can see this pump is noisy, has a bad commutator segment, deep inside it... scopes, rule.

all above is good?

if pump pressure is at spec. cranking, then

do this long story, omitted due to fingers sore.

ask

the pump tests and spec are all covered 100% in a real FSM.

the spec is covered at alldata.com, log in and see it.

btw, all EFI just hates low fuel pressure.

the whole system is turned for good pressure,

and many systems do not even monitor it.

To understand that read the books by, Greg Banish



http://www.amazon.com/Engine-Management-Advanced-Greg-Banish/dp/1932494421/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1388070570&sr=8-1&keywords=greg+banish.



the pressure must be at spec, and must regulate perfectly

or the ECU fuel tables are all TRASH.



hard starts. (fast starter) nut shell.

1: bad fuel. or running summer fuel in winter

what is your air temp, not stated, and is big factor ,if very cold.

2; no tuneups. ever done.

3: bad spark or timing off,

4: low compression.

5: bad ISC, try starting with 10% throttle ,to mimic a good ISC.

6: flooding. soaking wet spark tips.

7: under fueling, dry sparks.



try test fuel. if dry.

Dec 28, 2013 | 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee

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Suzuki vitara v6 will not start but engine check light comes on and i also changed the ecu


wow, you did it backwards, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
ever do the op guide lilsted tune ups at 60k intervals? miles>? if not why not?
did you try op guide stated WOT test, crank WOT, wide open throttle.
starts now (well it was flooded1) nothing, well, it's below.

watch scotty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=064Ilsz8Fzg&NR=1&feature=fvwp

fuses good. battery at 12v not 10v. , fresh fuel, not 3 years old.
key on CEL glows.
cranks engine, cranks robustly.
you then check for spark. on all 6 COP coils. MUST WORK.
iS spark good or bad. .? ( all gas engines. not diesel)

good spark , yes,. try test fuel. (sold in stores,,,,,, in a spray can)
if test fuel runs good for:
no spark , attach any cheap scan tool, and crank for 5 sec.

http://www.fixkick.com/IGN_timing/no-spark.html#Cops

release key (not off) and see if P0340 or P0355 or close are thrown
YES, bingo and make sure RPM shows at near 300 cranking
if not, the CKP is dead.

A: 3 seconds each try, then the engine is good and so is spark if it sounds really good,..
B starts and runs, must have been flooded or no tune up ever.
C: starts and floods, again, and stalls, trouble shoot flooding.
D: Dead as a door nail. that means its:
1: bad engine, (compression way below 170psi)
2: or lost fueling. check spark tips , wet, is flooding or no spark.'
2a: or low fuel pressure, use a fuel pressure gauge.
0 or 2 psi bad, 20 bad, 30 good, 60 bad. 60 it floods. below 30 it starves. the FSM covers all pump tests, there are 6 tests.
there is also an injector balance test, if fails, the injector is dead or leaks all the time and floods a cylinder.

is this good, ?????
if not do you just want a simple guess?
ok my wild useless guess.
1: not ever tuned up;. "know today as, doing the service points''

Nov 24, 2013 | 2003 Suzuki Grand Vitara

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I have a 1992 gmc jimmy s15....it will turn over and getting fuel and getting fire but will not crank. whats the problem? I have replaced the fuel pump, fuel relay, injectors,pressure regulator, dist.cap....


did you replace spark wire 1 by one,? if not bingo, you layed them down wrong.... (did car just die, by self or after a tune up?)
4.3L V6?

please stop throwing parts, you rich>? (60k tune up excepted always)
the EFI engines will not put out fuel if spark is dead.
what does getting fuel mean?
1: injectors squirt?
2: the cracked open rail plug dribbles?
what?
3;spark plug tips wet,
4: black smoke out tail. what/?
it's a no start, cranks perfect car, you keep saying no crank.
A car that can not crank and can never be started unless push started,
with a M/T STICK gear box.
ANSWER: ?
seems to me its flooding. , no>? soaking wet spark plug tips?
when EFI , floods a car , WOT cranking clears the flood.
Wide open throttle, its in you operator guide, RTM.
so if flooding, what i do us cut power to the fuel pump
the crank it dry. (black smoke out the tail, and then sputters an runs and stalls)
then, i try only test fuel. that is right,, no fuel pump power.
and make sure my engines sounds perfect with just test fuel.
if that is all true runs on test fuel,
then the problem is FUELING ONLY>
all in the span of 10mins work.

see scotty do that here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=064Ilsz8Fzg&feature=player_detailpage#t=1

this is a very old car is this a TBI car, a very old single injector
engines or MPI , multipoint injection.

read the wiki, see all those engines.
and EFI
which one do you have.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMC_S-15
yours is LB4 or L35 engine?
APPLES and ORANGE different. ! TBI/ MPI.

Oct 08, 2013 | Cars & Trucks

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1991 acura legend wil not start every morning (hot or cold days) until i pump it 4 times and turn the key then pump it 3 times and turn the key then it starts then it is fine the rest of the day an night...


WELL I WAS GOING TO SAY REPLACE FUEL FILTER, CLEAN FUEL INJECTORS BY ADDING A CAN SEAFOAM TO 3/4 TO FULL TANK OF GAS.REPLACE SPARK PLUGS AND WIRES. DO A LITTLE TUNE UP SEE IF HELP COLD START CONDITIONS. IF CAR STILL TAKES A LONG TIME TO CRANK. FUEL PUMP FAILING THE CHECK VALVE IN FUEL PUMP IS ALLOWING ALL FUEL LEAK BACK IN THE FUEL TANK.

Jul 05, 2011 | 1991 Acura Legend

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Car cranks but doesn't start


most likely need a fuel pump or injectors

Apr 23, 2010 | 2000 Hyundai Elantra

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Has trouble starting. after started it runs fine.worse in cold weather


Long cranking indicates a problem with part of the fuel pump assembly or the need for an air filter / tune-up. A restricted fuel filter also reduces fuel pressure to the injectors slowing cranking.

High mileage? Try a few bottles of Gum-out with a tank of gas, not the expensive stuff, just the regular fuel injector cleaner, then repeat & see if it improves. If it does, that would indicate Injectors and or fuel filter.

good luck

Feb 08, 2010 | 2000 Chevrolet Impala

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My suburban is not starting. i replaced the fuel pump since there was no fuel in the line. I tested and the pump was dead. the After installing a new pump car was working great for about 2 minutes then...


Try a fuel pressure test. I once put a brand new from the dealer fuel pump in a 4.3/ When I had pressure, I then replace the injector spider in the vortec engine, to the tune of 500 bucks. I then found out that 10psi was not enough to engage the injector. It had to be 51psi or better. I replace the pump again and it worked fine. It was a hard and expensive lesson. If you do not have a manual for the vehicle, stop by an Advance and check out a Hayes manual. Section 4 on the first page will give you the specks for the fuel system.

Hope this helps.

Aug 28, 2009 | 1997 Chevrolet Suburban

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