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Ignition system fauit intermittent 7x signal or loss of 58 x signal or 6x signal .

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  • melvin rodriguez Nov 02, 2010

    thanks for the solution looks like I was going crazy with the ruling.

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7x signal is for the Crankshaft Position sensor
58x signal is for the Crankshaft Position sensor also.
6x Signal is a no 6x signal between reference pulses
All three say that the Crankshaft sensor is sending the wrong signal to the PCM.
So I would replace the sensor.

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