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Trouble codes I know the codes now how do i fix trouble codes po141 po300 po335

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  • sandra b2 Jun 09, 2008

    Thanks WB!
    It definitely is not the knock sensor.
    I have the code reader so I know what the codes are just not how to fix it. LOL
    Hard time starting, cat converter gets cherry red and fuel smells.
    Had the ECM tested and that is fine. Replaced a sensor already and worked for a moment (have to check which sensor). Am going to work on your solution and will get back to you. Thanks!
    Sandra


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Hi Sandra!
The trouble codes listed are defined as:

P0141 Oxygen Sensor Heater Circuit Malfunction (Bank 1 Sensor 2)

P0300 Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected

P0331 Knock Sensor 2 Circuit Range/Performance (Bank 2)

PO300 & PO331 are possibly symptomatic of issues caused by PO141, which would have a direct influence on the air/fuel mxture... which could cause missing and knocking.

So the first thing I would try is replacing the Bank 2 Oxygen Sensor, after making sure the wiring and connections to that sensor are in good shape.

Does the engine show any physical issues such as loosing coolant, smoking exhaust, overheating? A blown or leaking head gasket on the #2 bank could also present these (among other)
codes.

Good luck and let me know how it goes!

WB

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  • Bill Bellomy
    Bill Bellomy Jun 09, 2008

    Sandra-



    The cherry red cat converter indicates a very lean mixture, OR a mixture so rich that fuel is actually burning in the converter instead of the engine. Either would cause missing, but the knock would more likely come from a lean mixture.



    Another possibility is a severely leaking injector(s), dumping raw fuel into a cylinder(s). Check this by inspecting the spark plugs on that bank looking for a fuel soaked one(s). If you find one, try spinning the engine over with the plugs out and see if its spewing fuel out of one (or more) of the plug hole(s). You can also pull the injectors and check them for leakage and an even conical spray pattern. The hard starting kind of points to an injector issue, as the oxygen sensor does not come into play until the engine is at operating temperature. The air/fuel mixtures are preset at start/warm-up, and a malfunctioning injector would cause what should be an adequate mixture to be less than so due to it's not doing as designed. So, another possibility to throw in the mix... Just what you needed, right? Ha!



    Listen Sandra, the solutions to these problems is usually (in retrospect) a lot simpler than we imagine... we tend to overcomplicate things, hence we sometimes can't see the forest for the trees, if you know what I mean. We sometimes treat symptoms, not causes. The key is to keep your approach simple, only change one thing at a time (so that if does have an effect, you know EXACTLY what affected the issue).



    You sound like you've got a pretty good grasp of the problem and a good head on your shoulders, so now all we just need to find the darn cause!



    Keep me posted, or e-mail me direct at wldbil49@yahoo.com, and once again, GOOD LUCK!



    -WB

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