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FORD truck 1985, with a 460 Engine and a 4-speed F600 transmission. The mechanic changed the fly wheel, clutch and presure plate. The starter is not engaing, it doesn't go all the way in.

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Look at the location of the ring gear on the old flywheel and the new flywheel. Soemtimes the gear to installed too far on to the flywheel.

Check that the starter is fully seated, I presume the same starter was used.....If not, compare new and old starter, side by side.

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2003 F150 4x4. Lights on dash don't come on except when 1st started. I have good vacuum. No clicking behind the dash. I put a used transfer case motor on and now hear clicking but no dash lights.


What light's don't come on ? 4X4 switch ? The GEM - generic electronic module controls the 4X4 system . Checking for DTC'S -diagnostic trouble codes is the first step in the diagnostic process . You miss thing's if you don't . Your best bet , take it to a qualified repair shop. Replacing parts without knowing what's going on never works .
P1804 Transmission 4-Wheel Drive High Indicator Circuit Failure GEM REFER to Section 413-01A . P1806 Transmission 4-Wheel Drive High Indicator Short Circuit to Battery GEM REFER to Section 413-01A . P1812 Transmission 4-Wheel Drive Mode Select Circuit Failure GEM REFER to the Symptom Chart. P1815 Transmission 4-Wheel Drive Mode Select Short Circuit to Ground GEM REFER to the Symptom Chart. P1820 Transmission Transfer Case Clockwise Shift Relay Coil Circuit Failure GEM GO to Pinpoint Test A . P1822 Transmission Transfer Case Clockwise Shift Relay Coil Short Circuit to Battery GEM GO to Pinpoint Test A . P1824 Transmission 4-Wheel Drive Clutch Relay Circuit Failure GEM GO to Pinpoint Test E . P1826 Transmission 4-Wheel Drive Low Clutch Relay Short Circuit to Battery GEM GO to Pinpoint Test E . P1828 Transmission Transfer Case Counter Clockwise Shift Relay Coil Circuit Failure GEM GO to Pinpoint Test A . P1830 Transmission Transfer Case Counter Clockwise Shift Relay Coil Short Circuit to Battery GEM GO to Pinpoint Test A . P1832 Transmission Transfer Case Differential Lock-Up Solenoid Circuit Failure GEM GO to Pinpoint Test C . P1834 Transmission Transfer Case Differential Lock-Up Solenoid Short Circuit to Battery GEM GO to Pinpoint Test C . P1838 Transmission Transfer Case Shift Motor Circuit Failure GEM REFER to the Symptom Chart. P1846 Transmission Transfer Case Contact Plate 'A' Circuit Failure GEM REFER to the Symptom Chart. P1850 Transmission Transfer Case Contact Plate 'B' Circuit Failure GEM REFER to the Symptom Chart. P1854 Transmission Transfer Case Contact Plate 'C' Circuit Failure GEM REFER to the Symptom Chart. P1858 Transmission Transfer Case Contact Plate 'D' Circuit Failure GEM REFER to the Symptom Chart. P1866 Transmission Transfer Case System Concern - Servicing Required GEM REFER to the Symptom Chart. P1867 Transmission Transfer Case Contact Plate General Circuit Failure GEM REFER to the Symptom Chart. P1876 Transmission Transfer Case 2-Wheel Drive Solenoid Circuit Failure GEM GO to Pinpoint Test C . P1877 Transmission Transfer Case 2-Wheel Drive Solenoid Circuit Short to Battery GEM GO to Pinpoint Test C . P1891 Transmission Transfer Case Contact Plate Ground Return Open Circuit GEM REFER to the Symptom Chart.
SECTION 308-07A: Transfer Case - General Information 2002 F-150 Workshop Manual DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION Procedure revision date: 06/20/2001 Transfer Case - Electronic Shift on the Fly (ESOF) Operation The electronic shift on the fly (ESOF) system is an electronic shift 4x4 system that allows the operator to choose between two different 4x4 modes as well as 2-wheel drive. The operator can switch between 2WD and 4H mode at speeds up to 88 km/h (55 mph). To engage or disengage 4L range, the vehicle speed must be less than 5 km/h (3 mph), the brake pedal depressed, and the transmission must be in NEUTRAL.
The transfer case is equipped with an electromagnetic clutch which is located inside the case. This clutch is used to spin up the front driveline when shifting from 2WD to 4H mode at speed. When the control switch on the instrument panel is turned, the generic electronic module (GEM) recognizes that a shift has been requested and activates the electromagnetic clutch and the relays which power the transfer case shift motor. When the shift motor reaches the desired position, as determined by the contact plate position inputs to the GEM, power to the shift relays and motors will be removed. When the transfer case front and rear output shafts are synchronized, the spring loaded lockup collar mechanically engages the mainshaft hub to the drive sprocket. Finally, the front axle collar is engaged and the electromagnetic clutch is deactivated.
Shifts between 2WD and 4H can be made at any speed up to 88 km/h (55 mph). Listed below are the inputs and outputs needed by the GEM to execute a change between any of these modes.
Feature Inputs:
  • 4WD mode switch (various resistances; go to Table 1).
  • Contact plate position inputs A, B, C, D (grounded when closed, open circuit when open; go to Table 4).
Feature Outputs:
  • 4x4 shift motor relay outputs (go to Table 2).
  • Transfer case clutch relay (grounded when relay is activated, open circuit when relay is deactivated).
  • 4x2/4x4 vacuum solenoid (grounded when activated, open circuit when deactivated).
  • Cluster indicators (ground when activated, open circuit when deactivated).
When shifting into or out of 4L, the GEM requires that the vehicle speed be less than 5 km/h (3 mph), the brake is applied, and the transmission is in NEUTRAL.
Feature Inputs:
  • 4WD Mode Switch (various resistances; go to Table 1).
  • Contact Plate Position Inputs A, B, C, D (grounded when closed, open circuit when open; go to Table 4).
  • Output Speed Shaft (OSS) Sensor (Sinusoid Signal: 0.7V-20V, 2.2 Hz/mph).
  • Brake Input (battery voltage when brake is depressed, open circuit when not activated).
  • Transmission Range Sensor (grounded when transmission is in NEUTRAL, open circuit otherwise).
  • Start/Clutch Depressed Input (go to Table 3).
Feature Outputs:
  • 4x4 Shift Motor Relay Outputs (go to Table 2).
  • 4x2/4x4 Vacuum Solenoid (grounded when activated, open circuit when deactivated).
  • Cluster Indicators (grounded when activated, open circuit when deactivated).

May 07, 2018 | Ford F-150 Cars & Trucks

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The 4x4 will not engage on my 2003 ford f150. could it the dash switch?


Does yours have Electronic Shift on the Fly (ESOF) Operation The electronic shift on the fly (ESOF) system is an electronic shift 4x4 system that allows the operator to choose between two different 4x4 modes as well as 2-wheel drive. The operator can switch between 2WD and 4H mode at speeds up to 88 km/h (55 mph). To engage or disengage 4L range, the vehicle speed must be less than 5 km/h (3 mph), the brake pedal depressed, and the transmission must be in NEUTRAL. The transfer case is equipped with an electromagnetic clutch which is located inside the case. This clutch is used to spin up the front driveline when shifting from 2WD to 4H mode at speed. When the control switch on the instrument panel is turned, the generic electronic module (GEM) recognizes that a shift has been requested and activates the electromagnetic clutch and the relays which power the transfer case shift motor. When the shift motor reaches the desired position, as determined by the contact plate position inputs to the GEM, power to the shift relays and motors will be removed. When the transfer case front and rear output shafts are synchronized, the spring loaded lockup collar mechanically engages the mainshaft hub to the drive sprocket. Finally, the front axle collar is engaged and the electromagnetic clutch is deactivated.

After reading this material I would not think it was the switch . Maybe an input problem to the GEM module .

Feature Inputs:
  • 4WD Mode Switch (various resistances; go to Table 1).
  • Contact Plate Position Inputs A, B, C, D (grounded when closed, open circuit when open; go to Table 4).
  • Output Speed Shaft (OSS) Sensor (Sinusoid Signal: 0.7V-20V, 2.2 Hz/mph).
  • Brake Input (battery voltage when brake is depressed, open circuit when not activated).
  • Transmission Range Sensor (grounded when transmission is in NEUTRAL, open circuit otherwise).
  • Start/Clutch Depressed Input (go to Table 3).
  • I would take it and have it check for codes !

Dec 02, 2016 | 2003 Ford F-150

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Pressure plate torque


I have seen this problem many times, people change clutches but don't machine the fly wheel. this causes a shudder or the other thing is a crack in the fly wheel or pressure plate, sorry but transmission out fly wheel off to be machined, new clutch and pressure plate

Dec 04, 2013 | Cars & Trucks

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Flywheel or something grings against the starter when clutch is engaged


There is no way the ring gear will hit the starter pinion unless the fly wheel bolts on the crank shaft or loose allowing the flywheel to run out of true. If you have had clutch/ rear seal work done lately the fly wheel will only fit in one position and if that was ignored at some time then the fly wheel will run out and touch the starter pinion.. I would also check the adjustment on the starter pinion as it has to be set by the lever pivot to a correct distance or it will touch the teeth of the ring gear

Jul 28, 2013 | 2001 Ford Escort ZX2

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Torque setting 1990 f600


Make sure you use Lock Tite.... (Red or BLUE)

With the Pressure Plate, I normally go around 70lbs
Fly Wheel 90lbs

Apr 15, 2013 | Cars & Trucks

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99 ford f150 4wd won't engage, clicks but does not engage


Without knowing how the 4X4 works you don't have much chance of finding the problem , (tapping on stuff ) ? There is an electronic control module that makes this system work . Could have DTC'S - diagnostic trouble code's stored in the (GEM)
Transfer Case -Electronic Shift on the Fly (ESOF) Operation The electronic shift on the fly (ESOF) system is an electronic shift 4x4 system that allows the operator to choose between two different 4x4 modes as well as 2-wheel drive. The operator can switch between 2WD and 4H mode at speeds up to 88 km/h (55 mph). To engage or disengage 4L range, the vehicle speed must be less than 5 km/h (3 mph), the brake pedal depressed, and the transmission must be in NEUTRAL.
The transfer case is equipped with an electromagnetic clutch which is located inside the case. This clutch is used to spin up the front driveline when shifting from 2WD to 4H mode at speed. When the control switch on the instrument panel is turned, the generic electronic module (GEM) recognizes that a shift has been requested and activates the electromagnetic clutch and the relays which power the transfer case shift motor. When the shift motor reaches the desired position, as determined by the contact plate position inputs to the GEM, power to the shift relays and motors will be removed. When the transfer case front and rear output shafts are synchronized, the spring loaded lockup collar mechanically engages the mainshaft hub to the drive sprocket. Finally, the front axle collar is engaged and the electromagnetic clutch is deactivated.
Shifts between 2WD and 4H can be made at any speed up to 88 km/h (55 mph). Listed below are the inputs and outputs needed by the GEM to execute a change between any of these modes.
Feature Inputs:
  • 4WD mode switch (various resistances; go to Table 1).
  • Contact plate position inputs A, B, C, D (grounded when closed, open circuit when open; go to Table 4).
Feature Outputs:
  • 4x4 shift motor relay outputs (go to Table 2).
  • Transfer case clutch relay (grounded when relay is activated, open circuit when relay is deactivated).
  • 4x2/4x4 vacuum solenoid (grounded when activated, open circuit when deactivated).
  • Cluster indicators (ground when activated, open circuit when deactivated).
When shifting into or out of 4L, the GEM requires that the vehicle speed be less than 5 km/h (3 mph), the brake is applied, and the transmission is in NEUTRAL.

Feature Inputs:
  • 4WD Mode Switch (various resistances; go to Table 1).
  • Contact Plate Position Inputs A, B, C, D (grounded when closed, open circuit when open; go to Table 4).
  • Output Speed Shaft (OSS) Sensor (Sinusoid Signal: 0.7V-20V, 2.2 Hz/mph).
  • Brake Input (battery voltage when brake is depressed, open circuit when not activated).
  • Transmission Range Sensor (grounded when transmission is in NEUTRAL, open circuit otherwise).
  • Start/Clutch Depressed Input (go to Table 3).
Feature Outputs:
  • 4x4 Shift Motor Relay Outputs (go to Table 2).
  • 4x2/4x4 Vacuum Solenoid (grounded when activated, open circuit when deactivated).
  • Cluster Indicators (grounded when activated, open circuit when deactivated).
  • P1804 Transmission 4-Wheel Drive High Indicator Circuit Failure GEM REFER to Section 413-01A . P1806 Transmission 4-Wheel Drive High Indicator Short Circuit to Battery GEM REFER to Section 413-01A . P1812 Transmission 4-Wheel Drive Mode Select Circuit Failure GEM REFER to the Symptom Chart. P1815 Transmission 4-Wheel Drive Mode Select Short Circuit to Ground GEM REFER to the Symptom Chart. P1820 Transmission Transfer Case Clockwise Shift Relay Coil Circuit Failure GEM GO to Pinpoint Test A . P1822 Transmission Transfer Case Clockwise Shift Relay Coil Short Circuit to Battery GEM GO to Pinpoint Test A . P1824 Transmission 4-Wheel Drive Clutch Relay Circuit Failure GEM GO to Pinpoint Test E . P1826 Transmission 4-Wheel Drive Low Clutch Relay Short Circuit to Battery GEM GO to Pinpoint Test E . P1828 Transmission Transfer Case Counter Clockwise Shift Relay Coil Circuit Failure GEM GO to Pinpoint Test A . P1830 Transmission Transfer Case Counter Clockwise Shift Relay Coil Short Circuit to Battery GEM GO to Pinpoint Test A . P1832 Transmission Transfer Case Differential Lock-Up Solenoid Circuit Failure GEM GO to Pinpoint Test C . P1834 Transmission Transfer Case Differential Lock-Up Solenoid Short Circuit to Battery GEM GO to Pinpoint Test C . P1838 Transmission Transfer Case Shift Motor Circuit Failure GEM REFER to the Symptom Chart. P1846 Transmission Transfer Case Contact Plate 'A' Circuit Failure GEM REFER to the Symptom Chart. P1850 Transmission Transfer Case Contact Plate 'B' Circuit Failure GEM REFER to the Symptom Chart. P1854 Transmission Transfer Case Contact Plate 'C' Circuit Failure GEM REFER to the Symptom Chart. P1858 Transmission Transfer Case Contact Plate 'D' Circuit Failure GEM REFER to the Symptom Chart. P1866 Transmission Transfer Case System Concern - Servicing Required GEM REFER to the Symptom Chart. P1867 Transmission Transfer Case Contact Plate General Circuit Failure GEM REFER to the Symptom Chart. P1876 Transmission Transfer Case 2-Wheel Drive Solenoid Circuit Failure GEM GO to Pinpoint Test C . P1877 Transmission Transfer Case 2-Wheel Drive Solenoid Circuit Short to Battery GEM GO to Pinpoint Test C . P1891 Transmission Transfer Case Contact Plate Ground Return Open Circuit GEM REFER to the Symptom Chart. Your best bet , take it to a qualified repair shop. Tapping on thing's isn't the way to diagnose

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Car will not go into gear.


Clutch is not disenging and is dragging, thats why it jumps forward, It could be at worst cas a warped fly wheel or the clutch plate de-lamanating or a colapsed re-lease bearing, or the re-lease arm is bent, the fix pull gearbox off car check re-lease bearing and arm and replace bearing, replace clutch presure plate and friction plate and if your funds allow have the fly wheel checked for true, reface the surface if needed, check here for diagrams and parts for your car.
http://www.mossmotors.com/

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1987 jeep yj 6 cyl manual trans. New fly wheel, clutch, presure plate, and batt. Starter is one month old on old worn flywheel with bad ring gear. Inspected starter gear before reinstalled on the new fly...


check to make sure the starter is seated correctly to the bell housing also check for a cracked! nose cone on the starter as well and make sure the front nose casting bushing isn;t worn out and make sure they sold you the correct tooth count flywheel

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What are the tranmission bolt torque specs on 92 ford ranger manual transmission, 4.0L engine


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