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The instrument panel will go off & on, just like you turned the ignition off & on. The dealer has replaced my cluster panel, but this just keeps happening. They do not seem to have a answer as it doesn't do this all the time, not in their garage. At the same time, the theft light came on, truck would not run, had to have my keys re-keyed. I have e-mailed Ford, all the info they would give is to take it back to the dealer, continue to work with them. The dealer has had my truck twice for a period of 7 days.

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First, I would say you are getting Excellent service for a model that is almost 9 years old. You may have hit upon the problem by saying "Its just like turning the Ignition off and on".

The problem could be the Ignition switch. You have 2 problems now and would want to look for a common source causing them both. For just the dash lights to be intermittent could easily be a pin connector supplying power to the dash. But you are also having a memory wipe of the Theft Alarm. Sometimes this wipe can occur if another key from a Ford vehicle is inserted in the wrong car. Could that have occurred?

If not, then there is a wiring problem causing both problems. That would be the question to ask the Dealer. "What connection would both the Dash lights and Theft Alarm have in common?". The Dash lights are usually on a shared circuit, so there would be other things affected. The Dealers can sometimes get Tech assistance from Ford, they just have to ask them the question. The Ignition switch would be a cheap fix if it solved the problem. Sometimes it is better to guess than spend hours of Labor to end up at the same point.

Would like to know the outcome of this.

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It may be the wiring harness problem or a computer problem that you are experiencing. But, I would let the dealer continue to investigate until the problem is solved.

Ford cluster panels are usually pretty reliable, unless part of the cluster is not working. So, I think it's a problem between the cluster and the computer or the computer itself.

I wish you the best of luck in this repair.

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1

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2

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