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Anonymous Posted on May 15, 2008

Ignition System Chugging

Customer Complaint: Vehicle just died while slowing down to a stop light..would not restart. We replaced: Intake ignition coil, it runs but severe stumble or sag on acceleration. Replaced cap, rotor, wires, plugs, both ignition coils and transistors. Verified fuel pressure and volume. Still stumbling....Any ideas? Thank YOU!

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    same thing but i still cant start mine

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I had same symptoms also backfiring and missing to the point of causing sparks out the exhaust. After 180,000 miles the bearing in the distributor came apart causing misfiring. My distributor contains the ignition module and the coil and a sensor. NS40 or NS45 is the part number of the distributor, check the casting numbers. It took me forever to fiqure out, I read many similar reports but no one ever followed up with the fix !

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Check the 2 wire connector to the ignition module. It may come loose causing intermittent ignition shutdown. replace and tie down connector to prevent vibration.

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