1988 Toyota Celica Liftback
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Toyota Celica "Bucking" problem, ideas?




By Beresford - usenet poster

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I have an 87 Toyota Celica GT-S, with 120K miles, 5 speed.

It has recently started "bucking" in first gear, occasionally in second.
By "bucking", I mean it accellerates normally then slows quickly then
speeds up like normal then slows, etc. The speed up/ slow down cycle
lasts about a second, before repeating. Feels like an amusement park
ride, or perhaps like riding an unwilling horse.

To continue my journey I just push in the clutch and try again. The
second or third attempt at engaging the clutch is successful, and I go on
my way. The problem is intermittent, and happens both with a cold or hot
engine.

It has not been a problem in third gear or higher.

I thought it might be the clutch, but it never happens in 3rd or higher.
Maybe a fuel problem, the pump or injectors? (It is a 16 valve 2.2L
engine). I just had the timing belt changed. Could this problem be
caused by slippage there? Anyway:

I would appreciate any experience or ideas. THANKS.

Solution #1

posted on May 14, 2008
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So if you can't find a leak (I couldn't), the sensor may be bad?

dsc

Dudley Cornman - Systems Programmer
Academic Computing Services
Eastern Ky. University
Richmond, KY 40475-3111
(606) 622-1986
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Solution #2

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Hugh:

This is a long shot, but check for cracks in your air intake hose
between the air filter and the fuel injection system. I had a
similar problem (usually only 2nd gear though) and that turned out
to be the problem. The cracks must affect the fuel/air mixture somehow
(though I'm not sure how, since it is before the injectors).

If you can't see any cracks visually, try flexing the hose with
the engine idling. If there are any cracks, the engine will sputter
when you flex the hose.

Hope this helps,

js

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Solution #3

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Actually, it is not such a long shot. I had the same experience with my
1988 Celica GTS at or around 80k. Turns out that checking the air filter
on that engine was tantamount to stressing the intake hose (before
the flow-meter obviously) severly. Eventually, it cracked, causing
the bucking you describe.

-Matt
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Solution #4

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Jeff,

Is there any noise associated with this problem? And have you noticed
any leaks lately?


Adam Berliant - The News Tribune -
Author of ``Used Car Reliability and Safety Guide''
Don't blame the News Tribune...only I could've thought this up.
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Solution #5

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Both myself and a co-worker have had this problem with our Celicas
(86 and 87).

In both cases, it was caused by a leaky rubber connecting hose between
the air cleaner and the intake manifold. They tend to crack along the
concentric rings that allow flexing.

When he took his to the shop, the guy said "well, let me guess, it's
the hose". He opened the hood and sure enough, it was.

They get brittle over time.
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Solution #6

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Possibly a fuel filter that's closed to plugged?

Bob
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Solution #7

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Well: The mystery is solved. Not such a mystery, as it turns out, for
some of you. Many thanks to :
Jim M, Jeff S, Gary G, Ronald V, Adam B, and Bob E for your help.

And to Jim G, Shahid, Mike R, Matt S, and Barry F: YOUR RIGHT!!!!! (Ding
ding ding ding!).

The bucking was being caused by a crack in the air intake hose between the
filter and the engine. I found he crack last weekend. Probably happenned
when I changed the air filter a couple weeks ago. I fixed the problem in
about a minute by wrapping the hose with a piece of duct tape. (I hope it
doesn't quack before I get to the parts store). (Sorry)

Thanks again for your help.
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Solution #8

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My '86 automatic acts similar, except I would describe it as surging
rather than bucking. It will go from 1200-1500 and back several times...
only on decelleration. It's worse when you have the OD locked out than
when it's engaged.

Thanks for the tip. I'll try it. Or maybe just replace it if I can find
one. I had figured that the computer was getting some "mixed" signals or
something. It runs fine otherwise.

dsc

Dudley Cornman - Systems Programmer
Academic Computing Services
Eastern Ky. University
Richmond, KY 40475-3111
(606) 622-1986
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Solution #9

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Actually, I believe the leak causes an incorrect airflow sensor reading
that is input to the computer. It's kind of a spring-loaded "flapper valve"
that deflects with greater airflow, actuating a potientometer.

'Glad we all guessed right.

b.
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