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Code 36 means a MAF burn off failure.
The MAF power and MAF burn off relay on your car has the same part
number.
I would recommend changing both relays at the same time since they are
around 10 bucks a piece.
If these were changed already,make sure the connection to the MAF
sensor/and relays is good.
Also make sure the ground wires on top of the transmission housing to
engine didnt come loose or corroded.A bad ground can be a cause for this
code also.
Sometimes the MAF sensor is at fault.
It will get a build up and cant read the flow numbers anymore.It wont be
able to complete the burn off cycle when you shut the car off.
A cheap way to test this is to unplug the MAF and start the car and
drive it a short distance.
Usually unplugging the MAF sensor will make the car hard to start or
stall.
If your car runs a little better, and doesnt stall like before, the MAF
sensor might need to be changed.
I would suggest the relays before the MAF sensor.Another test for the
MAF sensor is while the car is running,take a screw driver or wooden
handle and tap on it.
If the idle changes or the car stalls, its likely a bad MAF sensor.
A hunting idle can be caused by a vacuum leak.
It will go up and down from that. One way to check this is to start the
car and let it run and use a can of CARB cleaner spray and spray
different areas of the engine to see if the idle changes.If it does, you
found a vacuum leak.The areas to spray and check is the intake manifold
and TPI runners.
Stalling is also caused by a bad EGR as well.
Verify that the EGR isnt stuck in a open position.
If your car has over 60,000 miles now, it might be time for a throttle
body clean up.It will need to be removed, along with the sensors off it
and cleaned up with a solvent.(like carb spray or equivalent).You need
to get the black carbon off the throtle blades and pasasges.
This can affect the IAC and make it run poorly.
If the dealer says the ECM wasnt getting enough voltage, it can mean
theres a drop in the system somewhere.They should have the GM repair
manual and trace the wiring back step by step and see if there is a
short somewhere.
I have never heard of an alternator causing a problem like this.If the
alternator was giving out a bad charge, then alot of other systems would
have been affected too, not just the MAF problem.
The dealer should have checked the voltage at the ECM itself and the MAF
and the Burn off relay and recorded any changes.
A big drop in voltage can come from a bad shorted wire or a bad ground.
Since you changed the alternator and saw no improvement,it shows what
kind of idiots are working at the dealer.
Dont go back there.
Find a TPI specialist or Corvette repair shop near your area.
Feel free to email me anytime and let me know if you need more advise or
what parts you had changed and we can solve this together.
It pisses me off that no one at dealers seem to know how to check the
proper voltage to the sensors and relays and tell you you need parts you
dont need.They have access to all the repair manuals and tech scanners
and still try to tell you its a part that wont solve the problem.
It makes you think the car is a POS, when in fact, its just someones
ability to fix it right the first time.
I dont think the car is bad, its the TECHS!!!!
Some dealers have fantastic techs, others have what I call part
changers. They know how to remove and change a part,but do not have a
full understanding of how it works or know how to
find out why it failed ,or know how to check the voltage from the ECM to
the sensor, to the realy to the fuse.It doesnt tke much for a tech to
learn these skills.
Let me know and Good Luck!!
-Bill
86 Z51 Coupe