Why BMW?

not everyone beats their car to death so you may think it's the fasts thing on the road but most of us that own a car don't race it and don't take chances with our licence your not winning the races most people know racing is for the track not the road so please for everyone's safety grow up

I have a 1996 Volvo 850 GLT and i want t turbo sooo bad but i luv the car to death :) anyone wanna sell theirs or trade???

Yes, Volvo Turbos are pretty wicked fast.

I distinctly recall a TV spot a few years ago showing a Volvo and a BMW
dueling it out on some city highway, only to have the Volvo blow past
the Beemer, revealing the Volvo was a _station wagon_!

My wife's cousin told me 850 turbo wagons were pretty popular, and
pretty successful, on the amateur pure stock car race circuit.

A testimonial: <http://www.lenfrank.com/volvo's.htm
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BMW's aren't designed for drag racing. Try running a 540i from 45 to 90 and
you'll be the one seeing tail lights.

I've got a 960 and a 633CSi. Neither one is serious competition to MB or
Porsche for fit and finish.

I did, he was (and is my boss) we went to lunch together and couldn't agree
on who would drive.
I was in his parking space at work when he pulled up after lunch.
Admittedly not by much.
Dad
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Agree on that point. I've got a great 633csi story tho, bought a new 5
series years ago and brought it back because the e brake didn't work.
Parked it at the bay (level ground) to have it adjusted. It was supposed to
be quick so I waited. The mech moves it to the top of the lot (not level)
gets out (leaves in nuetral) and it rolls down the hill and T's into a
633csi that is being presented to it's new owner. Oh yes he's standing right
there. BMW dealership had the temerity to ask for my insurance info. When
I pointed out the work order info they backed off that pretty quick.

Always liked the 633 but never owned one.
dad

Quality of car, no comparison? You mean Volvo is better or BMW is better. I
have found that all the German and Swedish car company exude a tremendous
amount of quality in fit and finish. I mean my dads new VW Golf (1999 TDi,
fully loaded, got it for $6500 off his company, such a great deal) is a $30K
vehicle, with Audi switch gear, and VW/Audi fit and finish, which is
excellent. All the new Volvo's, BMWs, Benz's are all TOP quality compared to
any other cars.
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The 850's are quick cars, still I'd have to say the fastest car I've ever
driven was a lightly modified BMW M3, absolutely amazing machine, scary
fast, wonderfully smooth, and cornered like it was on rails. They're RWD
too, something I really wish I could say about the 850.

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I don't know about that. Volvos and Benz quality isn't always up to
snuff. Audi/VW fit and finish is wonderful, but reliability is a problem
with some VW's and some Audis. Benz has some cheap bits in the C car and
previous E car, and for the money, the S cars don't have the best fit
and finish or materials quality. Volvos have, now and then, a few cars
with questionable fit and finish. Also Volvos will rattle and squeak
before the Germans but plenty BMW owners have reported rattles and squeaks.

The Japanese quality is wonderful, especially Toyota/Lexus. Honda is up
there too. Subaru isn't bad, either. I don't think that Benz quality
exceeds Toyota's superb Lexus devision's quality. And Lexus is more
reliable overall than any of the Europeans, and in the US has better
dealer service.

Ben

i want one of thoseme thinks, you have one of the fastest
volvos ever mfgthey outlawed folks racing the 850t wagons...
cause no one could catch themi think i am looking for
a 96-98 ... were there many changes during those periods?..aprox
what is the 0 - 60 time, in seconds? with a good radial, w/some of
the air out...do you get much/any wheel spin @ "launch time"?

richard
colorado
93 940t..

JAPANESE QUALITY???? WHERE???? I CAN'T SEE IT!!!!

There plastic is molded poorly, there is flashing error around the parts,
for the large dashboard components especially, they never line up correctly,
they use inferior grades of plastic compared to Euro's. I have seen trunks
that don't close straight on NEW accords and camrys. Lexus, yeah they are
good, but not THAT great... Eurpean fit and finish is much better. Then you
look at the areas were most people NEVER look, that is where you can see who
builds a good car, toyota, honda, its all cheap shit European stuff is
much better throughout. This is especially evident in the lesser priced cars
(for 50-60K EVERYONE should be up to snuff with fit and finish, its 20-30K
where it counts). Take a look at a VW Golf/Jetta , or a Volvo S40, it will
be much better made then the Jap competition (of wait, they don't make a
personal luxury car, they only make tiny ones, and then family sedans)
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