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1991 Saturn SC - doesn't pass the HC portion of emissions test at cruise. The #'s @ idle are high as well. Also, and possibly related, while in park & rpm's @ approx. 1700 - the car cuts out & stalls. It also hesitates while driving. I have replaced the MAP sensor, O2 sensor, air filter, EGR valve air ctrl solenoid & partially smashed the top of the EGR valve itself. The last item has helped steady the idle. I've put good new gas in it, ran XLP fuel additive thru it & ran some sea foam thru it as well. The exhaust pressure is good throughout the system. Please advise.

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  • Dan Hanes Sep 09, 2010

    I do have a replacement EGR valve

  • Dan Hanes Sep 09, 2010

    and intend on changing that just in case.

  • Dan Hanes Sep 09, 2010

    Idle/Cruise - HC (185/206) CO (.13/.38)

  • Dan Hanes Sep 09, 2010

    Limits - Idle/Cruise - HC (220/170) CO (1.2/1.2)

  • Dan Hanes Sep 10, 2010

    I tried spraying the intake w/ starting fluid w/ no surging.

  • Dan Hanes Sep 10, 2010

    Do you recommend another way of checking?

  • Dan Hanes Sep 10, 2010

    To be fair, it was difficult to reach all areas. I may have missed something.

  • Dan Hanes Sep 10, 2010

    The ECM was replaced professionally a couple of yrs ago

  • Dan Hanes Sep 10, 2010

    The ECM was replaced professionally a couple of yrs ago

  • Dan Hanes Sep 10, 2010

    It's been barely driven since (never licensed since). There is no high or erratic idle rpm's. What I said was that when I'm in park

  • Dan Hanes Sep 10, 2010

    and hold the rpm's @ about 1700 it would falter

  • Dan Hanes Sep 10, 2010

    and stall. Now that the EGR head has been smashed, that symptom is improved greatly but not gone all together. Also, as odd as it sounds, there doesn't seem to be a MAF on this car. Nothing visible

  • Dan Hanes Sep 10, 2010

    and no parts listed on auto parts store's websites.

  • Dan Hanes Sep 10, 2010

    I am interested in this manifold leak thought. It's something I thought reasonable and likely for several weeks now.

  • Dan Hanes Sep 13, 2010

    How would you best check for an intake manifold leak?

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Hi! Two things to look at to pass the emissions test. First, the ECM (engine control module) must be replaced for this controls the air and fuel mixture of the car. If the ECM is faulty you will fail the emissions test. Second will be the MAF (mass air flow) sensor. If the MAF is faulty you'll experiece an erratic idling, no wonder you have high rpms. You will need to replace the MAF. Hope this helps and thank you for using FixYa!

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    dj_relly999 Sep 10, 2010

    Just go with the ecm and maf. This will surely resolve this.

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Give me the HC and CO readings please, idle and load test figures in PPM's

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    yadayada Sep 10, 2010

    U have a vacuum leak somewhere on the intake gasket, that is who the high idle and HC/CO readings bear that out, have the intake checked for a vacuum leak, this would also cause the high idle.

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What does No ppm mean?failed e-test


Here is some info for you to read, besides me explaining what ppm is, i also gave you some info of how to solve this, Ain't that special LOL. Mike

Overall Result: PASS or FAIL. A vehicle with a properly operating engine and catalytic converter will have very low HC and CO readings. However as a vehicle ages the HC and CO emissions will increase and may become erratic. As a vehicle ages it becomes increasingly important to be sure that the engine and converter are fully warmed up before the test to have the best chance of passing the test.

HC (PPM): The parts per million of hydrocarbons (unburned or partially burnt gasoline) in the exhaust.

CO (%): The percentage of the exhaust that is carbon monoxide (CO).

CO +CO2 (%): Complete combustion in the engine or catalytic converter will result in very little carbon monoxide (CO) and a high percentage (up to about 16%) of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the exhaust.

O2 (%): When there is complete combustion in the engine or catalytic converter there is a very little oxygen (O2) in the exhaust. Usually less than one percent. A higher reading indicates a problem with the engine, the exhaust system, the sampling system or the catalytic converter. Vehicles do not pass or fail because of the O2 reading; it is only diagnostic information.

RPM: The engine speed in revolutions per minute (RPM) or N/A.

Cruise Limit: The maximum allowable HC and CO emissions at 2500 rpm. The CO+CO2 (%) must equal or exceed 6. This verifies an adequate sample of the exhaust has been obtained. N/A for O2 and RPM.

Cruise Emissions: The emission readings measured at 2500 rpm.

Cruise Result: PASS, FAIL or N/A.

Idle Limit: The maximum allowable HC or CO emissions at idle. The CO+ CO2 (%) must equal or exceed 6. This verifies an adequate sample of the exhaust has been obtained. N/A for O2 and RPM.



These are the possible problems:

bad o2 sensor
bad EGR valve
bad cat
bad timing
dirty injectors
bad plugs or wires
the less costly fixes include replacement of the o2 sensor and EGR valve i would not clean the EGR I would buy a new one there are very cheap you can pick these up at any local parts store .
also run some injector cleaner through your car at least a full tank of gas and one bottle of injector cleaner should be ran through.
you can also have your timing checked for a relatively low price.
and when you go into to have the vehicle checked make sure the car is been running because your cat convertor has to be warm in order to preform at it peak so do not do it when the car is cold.
all of the above are pretty reasonable fixes the general rule of thumb when you work on your own vehicle is start with the cheapest fix first then go on to the next.

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Anyway, there is only one reason that your HC levels would be high. Your engine has WAY too much unburned fuel in the exhaust. The same reason applies to high CO levels. Too much fuel and/or not enough air.

Below is a link that you may find very helpful. It explains exactly what we are talking about here and also lists some of the possible causes.

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Incidently, when I had the same emissions failure on my truck, replacing the air filter and replacing a failed MAP sensor fixed it. - I did NOT have to replace the catalytic converter. If the numbers are as high as you listed above, you will only destroy a new converter anyway because there is obviously not enough oxygen in your exhaust system for the catalyst to function properly. Those numbers are nearly DOUBLE the allowable maximum. If the engine is running correctly and the catalyst is good, your numbers will be WAY BELOW those maximum numbers.

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