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Instrument gauge lights stopped working, gauge needles still light up and all indicators are functioning, light dimmer indicates full bright, when I switch on the marker and headlights ,the radio light and trip meter lighting dims low, checked fuses,etc.. all are fine. could it be a bulb needing replacement? or relay

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    thank you for your reply, it makes sense , so I will let you know how I make out.

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Hi! You may not need to replace the instrument panel bulbs but sure is the instrumental panel control switch. If the control switch is faulty the lights on the gauge fails. Have it replaced and you'll be good. Hope this helps and thank you for using FixYa!

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It is one of two things. I will explain both. There is a dash light dimmer switch. You can turn it to dim the lights on the dash and radio. Either this switch is turned all the way down to dim. Or the switch is bad. It has to be one of the two. No way it could be a bulb or relay. There is no relay for them. And there are about 5 bulbs that light the instrument panel. No way they would have all gone bad at the same time. It has to be that switch.

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. While in the self-diagnosis mode, the trip/reset button is used to start the beeper drive circuit test and the gauge drive circuit check.
. lf the vehicle speed exceeds 1.2 mph (2 km/h) or the ignition switch is turned OFF, the self-diagnosis mode ends.

The Beeper Drive Circuit Check:
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Ending the Self-diagnosis Function:
Turn the ignition switch OFF.

Note: lf the vehicle speed exceeds 1 .2 mph (2 km/h), the self-diagnosis function ends.
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If everything works correctly during the check, check your VSS (vehicle speed sensor)



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