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P1408 EGR Flow out of Self-Test Range.

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I have p 1121 and a P 0401 codes on my 1998 ford windstar. are these related? what can I check? replaced the mass airflow sensor recently.




P1121 Ford Throttle Position Sensor Inconsistent with Mass Air Flow Sensor
http://engine-codes.com/p0401_ford.html no they are not related !
Are there any cracks in the rubber hose from air cleaner to throttle body ! That could cause the P1121 air entering after mass air flow sensor !
P1121 - Throttle Position (TP) Sensor Inconsistent with MAF Sensor The PCM monitors a vehicle operation rationality check by comparing sensed throttle position to mass air flow readings. If during key ON engine running self-test the comparison of the TP sensor and MAF sensor readings are not consistent with calibrated load values, the test fails and a diagnostic trouble code is stored in continuous memory.
  • Air leak between MAF sensor and throttle body
  • TP sensor not seated properly
  • Damaged TP sensor
  • Damaged MAF sensor
Drive vehicle and exercise throttle and TP sensor in all gears. A TP PID (TP V PID) less than 4.82 % (0.24 volt) with a LOAD PID greater than 55% or a TP V PID greater than 49.05% (2.44 volts) with a LOAD PID less than 30% indicates a hard fault. P0401 - EGR Flow Insufficient Detected The EGR system is monitored during steady state driving conditions while the EGR is commanded on. The test fails when the signal from the DPF EGR sensor indicates that EGR flow is less than the desired minimum.
  • Vacuum supply
  • EGR valve stuck closed
  • EGR valve leaks vacuum
  • EGR flow path restricted
  • EGRVR circuit shorted to PWR
  • VREF open to D.P.F. EGR sensor
  • D.P.F. EGR sensor downstream hose off or plugged
  • EGRVR circuit open to PCM
  • VPWR open to EGRVR solenoid
  • D.P.F. EGR sensor hoses both off
  • D.P.F. EGR sensor hoses reversed
  • Damaged EGR orifice tube
  • Damaged EGRVR solenoid
  • Damaged PCM
Perform KOER self-test and look for DTC P1408 as an indication of a hard fault. If P1408 is not present, look for contamination, restrictions, leaks, and intermittents

Mar 09, 2015 | 1998 Ford Windstar

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1983 Ford Ecoline 150 /6cyl. Failed smog/ Egr numbers were too high How can i fix this to pass smog


Other than testing the EGR valve, not many options. You really need a 4 gas analyzer to know what is coming out of the tailpipe. Otherwise you won't know if repairs have helped the problem.
When you say EGR numbers I'm not sure what you mean. Most of the time the test is for CO and HC gases, along with oxygen and Nox also in some areas. The EGR valve allows some exhaust gas to be recycled thru the engine and reburned. CO or HC could be high if the EGR system is not working.

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1998 f 150 4.6 stumbles hard /wont take fuel.


Don't understand the last sentence. I would clean your air sensors. They may not be reading the air correctly.

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I have a scan tool that says my egr valve system not ready on my Ford f150 5.4 and my catylist reads not ready how can I fix this problem


ABout EGR codes, there are alot choive to look or diagnostic... are you chec or replace the vacuum lines as well? If there is a leak, the DPFE will read incorrectly.

Did you reset the PCM or disconnect the battery after the repair? Assuming all fuses are good, the P1401 indicates a possible wiring fault. Check the connector. Is it clean? Is it pushed in all the way? Are the wires in good condition?

Since the DPFE has been replaced, likely there is a restriction in the EGR line some where. This could also be a bad EGR valve. But first ensure that the EGR valve vacuum line is attached and leak free.

If no problem found, then the EGR passageways in the throttle body should be cleaned. Carbon will build up and block the EGR flow.

If still no problem found, consider replacing the EGR valve.

Keep in mind this information from Ford Service CD...

P0401 - EGR Flow Insufficient Detected
The EGR system is monitored during steady state driving conditions while the EGR is commanded on. The test fails when the signal from the DPF EGR sensor indicates that EGR flow is less than the desired minimum.
Vacuum supply
EGR valve stuck closed
EGR valve leaks vacuum
EGR flow path restricted
EGRVR circuit shorted to PWR
VREF open to D.P.F. EGR sensor
D.P.F. EGR sensor downstream hose off or plugged
EGRVR circuit open to PCM
VPWR open to EGRVR solenoid
D.P.F. EGR sensor hoses both off
D.P.F. EGR sensor hoses reversed
Damaged EGR orifice tube
Damaged EGRVR solenoid
Damaged PCM

Perform KOER self-test and look for DTC P1408 as an indication of a hard fault. If P1408 is not present, look for contamination, restrictions, leaks, and intermittents

P1401 - DPF EGR Sensor Circuit High Voltage Detected
The EGR monitor checks the DPF EGR sensor signal to the PCM for high voltage. The test fails when the average voltage to the PCM goes to a voltage greater than the maximum calibrated value.
DPF EGR circuit open
VREF short to PWR
Damaged DPF EGR sensor
DPFEGR circuit short to PWR
SIG RTN circuit open
Damaged PCM

A DPF EGR PID reading greater than 4.5 volts with the key ON and engine OFF or running, indicates a hard fault.


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C200 CDI 2004 diesel Have fault no. P1408 diagnosed but dont know what it is


p1408 is==manufacture control auxiliary emission controls which means that it refers to egr system, it may be a loose wire or it needs taken off and cleaned or replaced. if taken off and cleaned make sure carbon is removed at engine where it moun ts. have a good day !! check for egr vacuum hose break etc.

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Ford Taurus. Check Engine Light Code P1400


P1400 Exhaust Gas Recirculation valve position sensor
P1401 Exhaust Gas Recirculation valve position sensor
P1402 Exhaust Gas Recirculation metering orifice restricted
P1403 Exhaust Gas Recirculation differential pressure sensor
P1404 EGR Temperature Sensor circuit
P1405 Exhaust Gas Recirculation Differential Pressure Feedback Sensor upstream hose off or plugged
P1406 Exhaust Gas Recirculation Differential Pressure Feedback Sensor downstream hose off or plugged
P1407 EGR solenoid -No Flow Detected
P1408 EGR solenoid -Flow out of Self- Test Range
P1409 EGR Vacuum Regulator solenoid circuit malfunction
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The sensor for the EGR Valve position is not functioning correctly.

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Exhaust Gas Recirculation Flow Insufficient Detected 2002 Ford Crown Victoria LX The car works very good at 60 and I go 35 to city and then when we slow down to city speeds it will have little jerks and we...


P0401 - EGR Flow Insufficient Detected The EGR system is monitored during steady state driving conditions while the EGR is commanded on. The test fails when the signal from the DPF EGR sensor indicates that EGR flow is less than the desired minimum.
  • Vacuum supply
  • EGR valve stuck closed
  • EGR valve leaks vacuum
  • EGR flow path restricted
  • EGRVR circuit shorted to PWR
  • VREF open to D.P.F. EGR sensor
  • D.P.F. EGR sensor downstream hose off or plugged
  • EGRVR circuit open to PCM
  • VPWR open to EGRVR solenoid
  • D.P.F. EGR sensor hoses both off
  • D.P.F. EGR sensor hoses reversed
  • Damaged EGR orifice tube
  • Damaged EGRVR solenoid
  • Damaged PCM
Perform KOER self-test and look for DTC P1408 as an indication of a hard fault. If P1408 is not present, look for contamination, restrictions, leaks, and intermittents.
not likely the PCM, engine computer. they seldom go bad.
report back findings.

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I am having trouble getting my check light to go off after I had it checked and the EGR valve was replaced. The light comes back on after about 15 miles of driving and the code reads EGR poor flow. I can...


Insufficient EGR Flow Detected

Possible Causes:
DPFE sensor signal circuit is shorted to ground
DPFE sensor VREF circuit is open between sensor and PCM
DPFE sensor downstream hose off or plugged
DPFE sensor hoses both off, loose or damaged
DPFE sensor hoses connected wrong (reversed)
EGR orifice tube is damaged or restricted
PCM has failed
And what sets the code is…….Engine started, engine running in closed loop under steady cruise conditions, and the PCM detected the DPFE sensor input indicated insufficient EGR gas flow. Run the KOER Self-Test, and if DTC P1408 is present, the fault is currently present. This code sets in 2 Trip(s). The light will stay on until the cause is repaired. A bad EGR valve is only on possible cause.

Hope this helps,

Dave

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Egr vacuum solenoid


Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) System Monitor—Differential Pressure Feedback EGR The Differential Pressure Feedback EGR System Monitor is an on-board strategy designed to test the integrity and flow characteristics of the EGR system. The monitor is activated during EGR system operation and after certain base engine conditions are satisfied. Input from the ECT, CHT, IAT, TP and CKP sensors is required to activate the EGR System Monitor. Once activated, the EGR System Monitor will perform each of the tests described below during the engine modes and conditions indicated. Some of the EGR System Monitor tests are also performed during on demand self-test.
  1. The differential pressure feedback EGR sensor and circuit are continuously tested for opens and shorts. The monitor looks for the Differential Pressure Feedback EGR circuit voltage to exceed the maximum or minimum allowable limits.

    The DTCs associated with this test are DTCs P1400 and P1401.
  1. The EGR vacuum regulator solenoid is continuously tested for opens and shorts. The monitor looks for an EGR Vacuum Regulator circuit voltage that is inconsistent with the EGR Vacuum Regulator circuit commanded output state.

    The DTC associated with this test is DTC P1409.
  1. The test for a stuck open EGR valve or EGR flow at idle is continuously performed whenever at idle (TP sensor indicating closed throttle). The monitor compares the Differential Pressure Feedback EGR circuit voltage at idle to the Differential Pressure Feedback EGR circuit voltage stored during key on engine off to determine if EGR flow is present at idle.

    The DTC associated with this test is DTC P0402.
  1. The differential pressure feedback EGR sensor upstream hose is tested once per drive cycle for disconnect and plugging. The test is performed with EGR valve closed and during a period of acceleration. The PCM will momentarily command the EGR valve closed. The monitor looks for the differential pressure feedback EGR sensor voltage to be inconsistent for a no flow voltage. A voltage increase or decrease during acceleration while the EGR valve is closed may indicate a fault with the signal hose during this test.

    The DTC associated with this test is DTC P1405.
  1. The EGR flow rate test is performed during a steady state when engine speed and load are moderate and EGR vacuum regulator duty cycle is high. The monitor compares the actual Differential Pressure Feedback EGR circuit voltage to a desired EGR flow voltage for that state to determine if EGR flow rate is acceptable or insufficient. This is a system test and may trigger a DTC for any fault causing the EGR system to fail.

    The DTC associated with this test is DTC P0401. DTC P1408 is similar to P0401 but performed during KOER Self-Test conditions.
  1. The MIL is activated after one of the above tests fails on two consecutive drive cycles.
0a01005.gif EGR Vacuum Regulator Solenoid The EGR vacuum regulator solenoid (Figure 88) is an electromagnetic device which is used to regulate the vacuum supply to the EGR valve. The solenoid contains a coil which magnetically controls the position of a disc to regulate the vacuum. As the duty cycle to the coil increases, the vacuum signal passed through the solenoid to the EGR valve also increases. Vacuum not directed to the EGR valve is vented through the solenoid vent to atmosphere. Note that at 0% duty cycle (no electrical signal applied), the EGR vacuum regulator solenoid allows some vacuum to pass, but not enough to open the EGR valve.

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Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) Vacuum Regulator Solenoid Removal and Installation
  1. Disconnect the battery ground cable (14301). For additional information, refer to Section 414-01 .
  1. Disconnect the vacuum hoses and the EVR solenoid electrical connector.
  1. Remove the two nuts and the EVR solenoid (9J459).
From the looks of the rubber mounting, I would say it's mounted on the cowl (firewall) on the passenger side in the engine compartment.

Please rate as fixya if this helps. Thanks

Feb 24, 2009 | 2001 Ford Escort ZX2

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Code reader


The code P1408 is no egr flow sensed, It may be that this code is tied to the O2 code P1138, check the egr flow by manully pulling the vlave open with your fingers, the engine will run really bad or stall, if it does'nt the egr passages are plugged with carbon and will need to be cleared, locate the underhood emissions ticker, it will show the location of the EGR valve. Repair the EGR fault first, disconnect the battery for 5 minutes minumiun and then drive it for a few days to see if codes return.

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