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My ML270 has a problem with front wheel camber. The left front has -55' and the right has -14'. Beaurepairs who did the checks tells me there is no adjustment for camber on the front wheels and the car pulls to the left. Beaurepairs tried to correct the pulling to the left by changing the toe in on the rear wheels which has improved it but obviously the tyres are scuffing. Can this situation be corrected, is there any camber adjustment? Regards Ron Mitchell

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  • Ron Mitchell Aug 07, 2010

    Sorry, the front left has -14' and the right is -55'

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Yes, there are no adjustments possible on the front wheel angles except for the toe. Such big difference can only be caused by deformed parts. Since i assume that they would have noticed a bent front subframe then the only thing left are the suspension wishbones and the ball joints. 
Go directly to an licensed repair shop and have them take a look at the front suspension. BTW never use Beaurepairs for this kind of stuff again, they are just cheap hacks.

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  • Ron Mitchell Aug 08, 2010

    Thank you. I live in Cairns and if I take it to the local Mercedes dealer they will send it to Beaurepairs as they did with a previous vehicle we took there. We are travelling through Brisbane in 2 weeks is there any one there you could recommend. Or is there a better wheel alignment place in Brisbane.

  • Azrael SRL Aug 08, 2010

    Sorry, don't live in Queensland, never been to Brisbane, but any dealer there could guide you to a good shop.


  • Alex Agra
    Alex Agra Oct 22, 2013

    Ron, am just wondering. Were you able to fix the problem? I have the same issue and looking for somebody who can fix.

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