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Trouble shoot low fuel economy

Troubleshoot low fuel economy, not getting good mileage, new oxygen sensor,

  • Anonymous Jul 20, 2010

    I have had a rebuilt engine for a year and a half. I've put about 10K miles on it since then. The Autolite XP plugs have more than 10K miles, air filter has over 45K miles, and the fuel filter has about 10K miles. Think anything is due for a change. I have also replaced the water pump, oil pressure switch, and a freeze plug.
    John

  • Anonymous Jul 24, 2010

    I pulled plug #2 (maybe #3?) and the gap was the same as I set it 11/2 years ago so they're ok but I looked at the air filter and it was bad and I replaced it and now my car has much more power and the fuel gauge needle isn't dropping as quickly as it did and I'll keep a close eye on it to check my gas mileage.

    John

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Try any of the following::::new spark plugs, fuel injecter clean(if it has any), using cruise control on long flat roads,new fuel filter, new after market air filter, pcv valve helps a little.. very easy to change to.......thats all i can think of..

Testimonial: "I'll check plug gaps (?) and double check the dates of my fuel filter and air filter. I keep the box tab with the date and mileage on them. Could an EGR also be a problem. The engine has no signs if trouble but just seems not 100%. Thanks for the help, John"

  • Anonymous Jul 20, 2010

    well...if youve had the car sents it was new..it may seem like the engine is not running thet best that it can...but you also have to remember that if the engine has never been rebuilt then your running a 16 year old motor...maybe its time to get the engine rebuild...but its very pricy...

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