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We tested the ac pressure switch harness with a power point and the engine stopped running and won't re-start. did we cause this just by testing voltage?

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  • Michael Morgan Jul 19, 2010

    ok, we'll test that in the morning, tx.

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Hello! Describe a "power point"...Do you mean a test lamp? Give me a a little more information concerning won't start...

If the test was performed with a non-meter test probe the chance that damage occurred it very high...The particular harness that connects to the pressure sensor...Colors...Black...Gray...And Red/Black goes to the Engine Control Module (ECM...Computer)...Circuitry can only be tested using a high impedance digital meter...That doesn't mean the ECM is defective...Send a comment with more information...IE..Is the check engine light on indicating a trouble code?

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  • Michael Morgan Jul 18, 2010

    power point is a tester simular to a test light but has a digital screen for reading voltage. it can also be used to apply voltage or a ground but you have mannually apply either. I'm not sure if my tech applied volt or a ground. there are some codes in the ecm. We have a MATCO Determinator scan tool. code are p1640, p1635. then some u codes also.

  • Michael Morgan Jul 18, 2010

    We called saturn and they said just checking for volt shouldnt cause a problem. we reset the security system also. I also have ALLDATA on line as a resource.

  • David Burbee
    David Burbee Jul 19, 2010

    Hello! Thank you for your quick reply...The harness that was tested is 5 Volt circuitry...The following is a test procedure to localize the fault...


    You'll need a Digital Volt Meter...Most home improvement stores carry them...Cost is around $25-30...

    Disconnect the connector to the AC Pressure Switch...Set meter to 10 volt scale...Place + probe on the Gray wire...Place - probe to ground...Turn ignition key to on...Do not start...You must read no greater then 5.1 volts...If you do the ECM is defective and will have to be replaced...The ECM produces a 5 volt reference voltage which is supplied to two sensors...Ac pressure...and the Manifold Absolute Pressure..
    The P1635 is indicating that the reference voltage is to high to one/both sensors...

    Send a comment..................Saailer


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TESTING

Fuel Pump Circuit

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