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Is there a second odometer on the vehicle? In order to check the reading on the instrument panel odometer.

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My 2002 Saturn L100 odometer stopped working and isn't clocking miles at all.


Odometer
The odometer is an electronic digital display. Digits displayed are illuminated by the odometer backlight bulb. The odometer backlight bulb brightness is controlled by class 2 messages from the BCM to adjust the display for daylight and instrument panel dimming operation. The trip odometer and total odometer will show in this display area. The push button in the lower right side of the speedometer is used to toggle between the trip and total odometer readings. To reset the trip odometer, push and hold the button down for at least two seconds. The total odometer display has six digits with no decimal display. The trip odometer has four digits including a decimal point and indicates tenths of a mile or kilometer.
The body control module (BCM) stores the vehicle mileage. If the BCM fails, the cluster will display the last valid mileage that was sent before the BCM failed. For replacement of the BCM refer to the BCM section of this service manual. Replacement instrument clusters do not require odometer pre-setting before installation. If the instrument cluster is replaced, the mileage stored in the BCM will be sent to the new cluster via serial data, and shown in the odometer display.

Your best bet , take it to a qualified repair shop.

Jul 25, 2017 | Saturn Cars & Trucks

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Doesnanyone have a diagram showing where the wires on a speedometer connect to? I need to see if i pulled it on accident. And fuel gauge. Im learning so pictures are easier. Thx 2001 chevy tahoe


The speedometer gauge is controlled by information sent over the class 2 data bus from the PCM/ECM - engine computer . There is a VSS - vehicle speed sensor mounted on the transmission , this VSS is a input to the engine computer .
Speedometer
The IPC displays the vehicle speed based on the vehicle speed signal from the PCM. The IPC- instrument panel cluster receives the vehicle speed signal via a discreet wire. The IPC uses the vehicle speed signal circuit (4000 pulses/mile) from the PCM in order to calculate the vehicle speed. The speedometer defaults to 0 km/h (0 mph) if a malfunction in the vehicle speed signal circuit (4000 pulses/mile) exists.
Is the whole instrument cluster dead ?
Fuel Gauge
The IPC displays the fuel level as determined by the PCM. The IPC receives a class 2 message from the PCM indicating the fuel level percent. The fuel gauge defaults to empty if:
• The PCM detects a malfunction in the fuel level sensor circuit.
• The IPC detects a loss of class 2 communications with the PCM.
When the fuel level is less than a pre-determined value, the low fuel indicator illuminates.
Reviewing the fuel system description will further explain how the system functions. Refer to:
• Fuel System Description in Engine Controls - 4.3 L
• Fuel System Description in Engine Controls - 4.8 L, 5.3 L and 6.0 L
• Fuel System Description in Engine Controls - 6.6 L
• Fuel System Description in Engine Controls - 8.1 L
Hourmeter
The IPC can display the accumulated engine run time hours using the VF display when the cluster is in the LOCK or ACC position. The IPC stores the accumulated engine run time hours in a non-volatile format. The accumulated hours will not change if the battery was disconnected or removed. When the ignition is OFF and the trip reset switch is pushed in and held for more than 4 seconds, the IPC will display the accumulated hours for 30 seconds. The hourmeter will reset to 0.0 when 10,000 hours are accumulated.
Odometer
The IPC contains a season odometer and a trip odometer. Momentarily press the trip/reset switch on the IPC in order to toggle between the season odometer and the trip odometer. Press the trip/reset switch for greater than 2 seconds, while the trip odometer is displayed, in order to reset the trip odometer. The IPC displays the vehicle mileage and trip mileage as determined by the IPC. The IPC calculates the mileage based on the vehicle speed signal circuit from the PCM. The odometer will display 'error' if an internal IPC memory failure is detected. The odometer can be configured to display either miles or kilometers.
PRNDL Display
The IPC displays the selected gear position as determined by the PCM. The IPC receives a class 2 message from the PCM indicating the gear position. The PRNDL display blanks if:
• The PCM detects a malfunction in the transmission range switch circuit.
• The IPC receives a class 2 message indicating the park position and the column park switch indicates a position other than park (open input).
• The IPC detects a loss of class 2 communications with the PCM.
GM had problems with stepper motors that control the needle position .
Your best bet buy a used instrument cluster from the auto slavage yard .

Apr 30, 2017 | Cars & Trucks

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Where are all the ground wires located on a 2008 chevy cobalt?


It wouldn't be a ground problem If it were the whole instrument cluster would be dead . Checking the BCM an the IPC for DTC'S - diagnostic trouble codes is the proper way to diagnose this type problem . Not worrying about grounds .
Odometer
The vehicle odometer is calculated and stored electronically in the body control module (BCM) and is sent via the serial data circuit to the instrument panel cluster (IPC) for display. The BCM calculates and stores the mileage based on the vehicle speed serial data information from the PCM/ECM. The IPC displays the season odometer information from the BCM in the driver information center (DIC). The odometer will display error if the IPC detects an invalid odometer data from the BCM. After an invalid odometer data is received from the BCM, the IPC will display the last known odometer reading for 1.5 seconds before error is displayed in the DIC.
Speedometer
The instrument panel cluster (IPC) displays the vehicle speed based on serial data message from the body control module (BCM). The BCM receives vehicle speed data from the PCM/ECM via the serial data circuit. The speedometer will default to 0 km/h (0 mph) if:
• The PCM/ECM detects a malfunction in the vehicle speed sensor circuit.
• The BCM detects a loss of serial data communications with the PCM/ECM.
• The IPC detects a loss of serial data communications with the BCM.

Your best bet would be to take it to the dealer !

Apr 19, 2017 | 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt

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On a2000buick century odometer not working


You would need to take it to the dealer or someother qualified repair shop that has the diagnostic tool to check for DTC'S - diagnostic trouble codes in the instrument cluster .
DTC B0570 Season Odometer Malfunction

The instrument cluster receives a vehicle speed input from the vehicle speed sensor (VSS) over the Class 2 line. This signal is used in order to drive the speedometer and the odometer of the instrument cluster. The instrument cluster will compare the VSS data with a 16-point look-up table in order to determine needle deflection. A smooth filter is used in order to secure a continuous response. The season odometer displays the total accumulated kilometers (miles) of the vehicle. This value is permanently stored in the Electronically Erasable Programmable Read Only Memory (EEPROM) of the instrument cluster. The trip odometer displays the accumulated kilometers (miles) to the tenths of a kilometer (mile) since the last reset. This value is stored in Keep Alive Memory (KAM) of the instrument cluster.

Test Description
The numbers below refer to the step numbers on the diagnostic table.
Always perform the Instrument Cluster Diagnostic System Check before attempting to diagnose this DTC.
This diagnostic procedure requires using a scan tool.
This repair procedure requires instrument cluster replacement.
Step
Action
Value(s)
Yes
No
1
Did you perform the Instrument Cluster Diagnostic System Check?
--
YES - Go to Step 2
NO - Go to Diagnostic System Check - Instrument Cluster
2
Using a scan tool, clear the instrument cluster DTC and retest for DTC B0570.
Does DTC B0570 reset?
--
Go to Step 3
Go to Powertrain On Board Diagnostic (OBD) System Check in Engine Controls - 3.1L or Powertrain On Board Diagnostic (OBD) System Check in Engine Controls - 3.8L
3
Replace the instrument cluster. Refer to Instrument Cluster Replacement .
Is the repair complete?
--
System OK
Go to Diagnostic System Check - Instrument Cluster
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Feb 27, 2017 | 2000 Buick Century

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I have a 2010 Chevy impala LS instrument cluster and it has a 20 pin plug I'm trying to figure out which wire's on the back of the cluster are for the speed sensor, rpm, gas, and temp wires.


Boy your way off base . All the gauges are inputs from the ECM - engine computer . The VSS - vehicle speed sensor , ETC - engine coolant temp sensor , sending unit in the fuel tank , All this sensors input the engine computer . The PCM then sends this info on the GMLAN serial data bus ,communications network . The Instrument cluster has a microprocessor inside that translates this info an controls the gauges. You probably have an instrument cluster problem or a communication network problem . Your best bet is to take your vehicle to the dealer or some other qualified repair shop. Need to have it checked for DTC'S - diagnostic trouble codes.
Indicators and Warning Messages
Refer to Indicator/Warning Message Description and Operation.
Engine Coolant Temperature Gage
The instrument panel cluster (IPC) displays the engine coolant temperature as determined by the engine control module (ECM). The IPC receives a serial data message from the ECM indicating the engine coolant temperature. The IPC receives the coolant temperature information via serial data message from the body control module (BCM). The engine coolant temperature gage defaults to 60?°C (140?°F) or below if:
?€¢
The ECM detects a malfunction in the engine coolant temperature sensor circuit.

?€¢
The IPC detects a loss of serial data communications with the ECM.

?€¢
The IPC detects a loss of serial data communications with the BCM.
Fuel Gage
The instrument panel cluster (IPC) displays the fuel level as determined by the engine control module (ECM). The IPC receives a serial data message from the ECM indicating the fuel level percent. The body control module (BCM) sends the fuel level information from the ECM to the IPC via a serial data message indicating the fuel level percent. The fuel gage defaults to empty if:
?€¢
The ECM detects a malfunction in the fuel level sensor circuit.

?€¢
The IPC detects a loss of serial data communications with the ECM.

?€¢
The IPC detects a loss of serial data communications with the BCM.
When the fuel level is less than a pre-determined value, the low fuel indicator illuminates in the IPC.
Odometer
The vehicle odometer is calculated and stored electronically in the instrument panel cluster (IPC). The IPC contains a season odometer and trip odometer A or B. Momentarily press the trip/fuel button in order to toggle between the season odometer and the trip odometer. Press the set/reset button for greater than 0.25 seconds, while the trip odometer is displayed, in order to reset the trip odometer. The IPC displays the vehicle mileage and trip mileage as determined by the engine control module (ECM). The IPC calculates the mileage based on the serial data vehicle speed information from the ECM. The odometer will display 'error' if an internal IPC memory failure is detected. The odometer displays either miles or kilometers and can be set through the customization menu in the driver information center (DIC).
PRNDL Display
The instrument panel cluster (IPC) displays the selected gear position as determined by the engine control module (ECM). The IPC receives a serial data message from the ECM indicating the gear position. The PRNDL display blanks if:
?€¢
The ECM detects a malfunction in the transmission range switch circuit.

?€¢
The IPC detects a loss of serial data communications with the ECM.

?€¢
The IPC detects a loss of serial data communications with the body control module (BCM).
Speedometer
The instrument panel cluster (IPC) displays the vehicle speed as determined by the engine control module (ECM). The IPC calculates the mileage based on serial data vehicle speed information from the ECM. The IPC receives vehicle speed information from the body control module (BCM) via a serial data message. The speedometer defaults to 0 km/h (0 mph) if the IPC detects a loss of serial data communications with the ECM or BCM.
Tachometer
The instrument panel cluster (IPC) displays the engine speed as determined by the engine control module (ECM). The IPC receives a serial data message from the ECM indicating the engine speed. The IPC receives the engine speed information from the body control module (BCM) via a serial data message. The tachometer will default to 0 RPM if:
?€¢
The ECM detects a malfunction in the engine speed sensor circuit.

?€¢
The IPC detects a loss of serial data communications with the ECM.

?€¢
The IPC detects a loss of serial data communications with the BCM.

How to Diagnose Controller Area Network CAN Suggest you read up on C.A.N.

May 14, 2016 | Cars & Trucks

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While driving antitheft light comes on and all the gauges go flat,car keeps runnig,want to disable system,not sure what to look for


Before doing something drastic ,have it checked out for DTC'S - diagnostic trouble codes . It may not be the anti-theft system ,gauges going flat would be more like a communication problem between modules . PCM / BCM / instrument cluster etc.. That also could cause theft light coming on . If your not sure what to look for ,take it to a ASE certified professional . You may render your vehicle useless if you don't know what your doing .
Serial Data Power Mode Master
On vehicles that have several control modules connected by serial data circuits, one module is the power mode master (PMM). On this vehicle, the PMM is the body control module (BCM). The PMM receives 3 discrete ignition switch signals to differentiate which power mode will be sent over the Serial Data circuits. The 3-wire Ignition Switch table below illustrates the state of these inputs in correspondence to the ignition switch position:
Serial Data Messages The modules that depend exclusively on serial data messages for power modes. stay in the state dictated by the last valid PMM message until they can check for the engine run flag status on the serial data circuits. If the PMM fails, the modules monitor the serial data circuit for the engine run flag serial data. If the engine run flag serial data is True, indicating that the engine is running, the modules fail-safe to RUN. In this state, the modules and their subsystems can support all operator requirements. If the engine run flag serial data is False, indicating that the engine is not running, the modules fail-safe to OFF-AWAKE. In this state, the modules are constantly checking for a change status message on the serial data circuits and can respond to both local inputs and serial data inputs from other modules on the vehicle.
Indicators and Warning Messages
Refer to Indicator/Warning Message Description and Operation .
Engine Coolant Temperature Gage
The instrument panel cluster (IPC) displays the engine coolant temperature as determined by the powertrain control module (PCM) or the engine control module (ECM). The IPC receives a serial data message from the PCM/ECM indicating the engine coolant temperature. The engine coolant temperature gage defaults to 38?°C (100?°F) if:
?€¢
The PCM/ECM detects a malfunction in the engine coolant temperature sensor circuit.


?€¢
The IPC detects a loss of serial data communications from the BCM.

Fuel Gage
The instrument panel cluster (IPC) displays the fuel level as determined by the powertrain control module (PCM) or the engine control module (ECM). The IPC receives a serial data message from the body control module (BCM) indicating the fuel level. The fuel gage defaults to E (empty) if:
?€¢
The PCM/ECM detects a malfunction in the fuel level sensor circuit.


?€¢
The IPC detects a loss of serial data communications from the BCM.

When the fuel level is less than 14 percent, the low fuel indicator illuminates.
Odometer
The instrument panel cluster (IPC) contains a season odometer and a trip odometer. Momentarily press the trip/reset switch in order to toggle between the season odometer and the trip odometer. Press the trip/reset switch for greater than 2 seconds, while the trip odometer is displayed, in order to reset the trip odometer. The odometer is calculated and stored electronically in the body control module (BCM). The BCM uses the vehicle speed information from the powertrain control module (PCM) to calculate the odometer. The odometer displays 'error' if an internal IPC memory failure is detected. The IPC stores a backup copy of the odometer value incase the IPC stops receiving a valid odometer value from the BCM.
Speedometer
The instrument panel cluster (IPC) displays the vehicle speed based on the information from the ECM/PCM. The IPC receives the vehicle speed information from the BCM via the serial data circuit. The speedometer defaults to 0 kmh (0 mph) when the following occurs:
?€¢
The powertrain control module (PCM) or the engine control module (ECM) detects a malfunction in the vehicle speed sensor circuit.


?€¢
The IPC detects a loss of serial data communication from the BCM.

Tachometer
The instrument panel cluster (IPC) displays the engine speed as determined by the powertrain control module (PCM) or the engine control module (ECM). The IPC receives a serial data message from the body control module (BCM) indicating the engine speed. The tachometer will default to 0 RPM if:
?€¢
The PCM/ECM detects a malfunction in the engine speed sensor circuit.


?€¢
The IPC detects a loss of serial data communication from the BCM.

Apr 07, 2016 | 2006 Pontiac G6

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How can i fix my odometer on my 2002 envoy


The IPC calculates the mileage based on the vehicle speed signal circuit from the engine control module (ECM). The odometer will display 'error' if an internal IPC memory failure is detected. The odometer displays either miles or kilometers as requested by the activation of the Personalization button on the steering wheel controls. IPC - instrument panel cluster .
Schematic Reference: Instrument Cluster Schematics

1

Did you perform the Instrument Cluster Diagnostic System Check?
Go to Step 2
Go to Diagnostic System Check - Instrument Cluster

2

?€¢
Turn the ignition ON.


?€¢
Activate the trip reset button.

Does the odometer display switch between trip and odometer?
Go to Testing for Intermittent Conditions and Poor Connections in Wiring Systems
Go to Step 3

3

Important: Program the replacement instrument panel cluster (IPC).
Replace the IPC. Refer to Instrument Cluster Replacement .
Did you complete the replacement?
Go to Step 4
--

4

Operate the system in order to verify the repair.
Did you correct the condition?
System OK
Go to Step 2
Install a scan tool.
Does the scan tool power up?
Go to Step 2
Go to Scan Tool Does Not Power Up in Data Link Communications

2

  1. Turn the ignition ON, with the engine OFF.
  2. Attempt to establish communication with the following control modules:
?€¢
Body Control Module (BCM)


?€¢
Driver Door Module (DDM)


?€¢
Electronic Brake Traction Control Module (EBTCM)


?€¢
Inflatable Restraint Diagnostic Module (SDM)


?€¢
Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC)


?€¢
Liftgate Module (LGM)


?€¢
Passenger Door Module (PDM)


?€¢
Powertrain Control Module (PCM)

Does the scan tool communicate with the control modules listed above?
Go to Step 3
Go to
Scan Tool Does Not Communicate with Class 2 Device in Data Link Communications

Nov 21, 2015 | Cars & Trucks

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Checkout a 2005 buick rendiverous speedometer circuit


Speedometer and/or Odometer Inaccurate or Inoperative
Test Description
The number below refers to the step number on the diagnostic table.

  1. This test procedure may cause DTCs to set, which may cause other systems to be inoperative or disabled.

Step

Action

Yes

No

Schematic Reference: Instrument Cluster Schematics
1

Did you perform the Diagnostic System Check - Vehicle?
Go to Step 2
Go to Diagnostic System Check - Vehicle in Vehicle DTC Information

2

  1. Install a scan tool.
  2. Raise the vehicles drive wheels. Refer to Lifting and Jacking the Vehicle in General Information.
  3. Start the engine.
  4. Place the transmission into drive.
  5. With the scan tool, observe the Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS) parameter in the engine control module (ECM)/powertrain control module (PCM) Engine Data 1 data list.

Does the VSS parameter match the speedometer display?
Go to Step 3
Go to Step 4

3

Does the odometer operate properly?
Go to Testing for Intermittent Conditions and Poor Connections in Wiring Systems
Go to Step 4

4

Replace the instrument panel cluster (IPC). Refer to Control Module References in Computer/Integrating Systems for replacement, setup, and programming.

Did you complete the replacement?
Go to Step 5
--

5

  1. Operate the system in order to verify the repair.
  2. Use the scan tool in order to clear the DTCs that may have set in other modules during diagnosis.

Did you correct the condition?
System OK
Go to Step 2

Feb 20, 2015 | 2005 Buick Rendezvous

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Volvo gle 850 1996


After I bought my '96 850, I found it had the same problem. In my case the speedometer worked fine, but not the odometer. A little research on the internet revealed that it's a common problem with these models.

There's a motor that drives the odometer separately from the speedometer, and the weak link in the chain is a tiny gear that turns the odometer when the motor runs. That gear is easily broken and even one missing tooth will disable your odometer.

The fix is relatively straight-forward, but requires you to remove the instrument panel and disassemble it in order to get to the motor housing and the broken gear. You won't have any trouble finding replacement parts on eBay that are much better made and will last you the rest of the life of the car. The difficulty level on this is about medium, but be careful when you've got the instrument panel disassembled; I wasn't cautious enough and ended up with a couple of my indicators out of alignment; my tachometer read zero when it was idling, and my fuel gauge only went up to 17 gallons when it was full, so I had to take it all apart again to reposition the gauges to get them to read correctly.

Jun 04, 2014 | 1996 Volvo 850

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