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Rpm surges from 1000 to 2200 cold or hot. its full of coolant and could not find any vacum leaks

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It's a typical problem on Hondas and as Toyotas are of similar design, here's how to fix 'hunting' as it's called.

Cheap way first - radiator cap off, jack it up so the rad is higher than the engine. Start engine and let it get up to temperature, let the fan kick in twice, top up with coolant if the amount drops. An air lock will cause your symptoms, this is to bleed any air bubbles in the system.

On the intake manifold there is a valve, take off the air filter and housing. Get a cloth/toothbrush (an old one!) and clean the valve.

Get some carb cleaner, and spray it inside, with the engine running. I think a whole can does it for around 10 minutes.

Reset the ECU by removing the battery leads for 30 mins.

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