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Anonymous Posted on May 07, 2010

Just replaced the ac compressor,dryer,and orifice tube. Vacuumed the system but it won't take 134a.What am I doing wrong?

  • Anonymous May 07, 2010

    I guess I was just in a hurry. Thanks for the info!

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If you are using the small cans, it will take a while to charge.On average it usually takes me around a half hour to an hour to charge using those darn cans. A 30 lb bottle go quite quickly though. Turn the vehicle on and place the a/c in the on position, place the 134a can near, but not on the exhaust manifold so it keeps it warm and buils pressure to push it into the system. You know when it's done because you can feel the condensation on the outside of the can. After 1 can it should click on. This system takes around a can and a half - 3/4.

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