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'91 Ford Econoline - No spark still. Found no voltage from pin 2 ICM harness and consequently no voltage pulse at neg ig. coil terminal. ICM ohms tested good, ig. coil tested good. Other voltage tests from ICM harness (run, start) good. I was thinking ig. switch or EEC. Any input greatly appreciated. This things kickin my ****! Dist mounted ICM

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Change the ignition module for a NEW one ,not a secondhand one

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I recently replaced the coils the icm cam sensor and crank sensor and still getting a p1350 code on my 94 lesabre . how can i fix this please?.?


DTC P1350 Bypass Line Monitor
Refer to Ignition Control, Knock Sensors .

Circuit Description
The Ignition Control Module (ICM) sends signals that the PCM requires for fuel control and spark advance calculations. At the start of engine crank, the ICM controls spark advance (Bypass mode.) When the second 3X reference pulse is recognized by the PCM, the PCM applies 5 volts to the Bypass circuit, commanding the ICM to switch spark advance to PCM control (IC mode). An open in the IC circuit or a short to voltage in the Bypass circuit at startup will cause the PCM to monitor IC pulses during crank, when the ICM should be grounding the IC circuit. This condition will set DTC P1350. The engine may be started but will run on Bypass mode timing.

Conditions for Setting the DTC
The PCM monitors IC pulses during crank while Bypass mode spark advance is commanded

Action Taken When the DTC Sets
The PCM will illuminate the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) during the second consecutive trip in which the diagnostic test has been run and failed.
The PCM will store conditions which were present when the DTC set as Freeze Frame and Failure Records data.
Conditions for Clearing the MIL/DTC
The PCM will turn OFF the MIL during the third consecutive trip in which the diagnostic has been run and passed.
The History DTC will clear after 40 consecutive warm-up cycles have occurred without a malfunction.
The DTC can be cleared by using the scan tool.
Diagnostic Aids
Check for the following conditions:

Poor connection at the PCM. Inspect harness connectors for backed out terminals, improper mating, broken locks, improperly formed or damaged terminals, and poor terminal to wire connection.
Damaged harness. Inspect the wiring harness for damage. If the harness appears to be OK, disconnect the ICM, turn the ignition ON and observe a digital multimeter connected between the IC circuit and B+ while moving connectors and wiring harnesses related to the ICM. A change in voltage will indicate the location of the malfunction.
Reviewing the Fail Records vehicle mileage since the diagnostic test last failed may help determine how often the condition that caused the DTC to be set occurs. This may assist in diagnosing the condition.

Test Description
Number(s) below refer to the step number(s) on the Diagnostic Table.

This vehicle is equipped with a PCM which utilizes an Electrically Erasable Programmable Read Only Memory (EEPROM). When the PCM is being replaced, the new PCM must be programmed.

Oct 14, 2016 | Cars & Trucks

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Where is fuel pump harness on a 2000 escalade


DTC P1351 Ignition Coil Control Circuit High Voltage
The enhanced ignition system uses the crankshaft position (CKP) sensor in order to provide a timing input to the control module. Ignition control (IC) spark timing for each cylinder is based on this input. The control module provides the ignition timing signal to the ignition control module (ICM) to control the ignition coil. Each timing pulse detected by the ICM allows it to energize the ignition coil. A large secondary ignition voltage is induced in the secondary coil by the primary coil. This high voltage is switched to the correct spark plug by the distributor.
This diagnostic trouble code (DTC) will set if the VCM- (vehicle control module ) detects an unusually high voltage on the ignition timing signal circuit.
Diagnostic Aids
Intermittent test -- If the connections and the harness check OK, monitor a digital voltmeter connected between VCM terminal C3 pin 9 and C4 pin 18 while moving related connectors and wiring harness. If the failure is induced, the voltage reading will change. This may help to isolate the location of the malfunction.
An intermittent may be caused by any of the following conditions:
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A poor connection

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Rubbed through wire insulation

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A broken wire inside the insulation
Thoroughly check any circuitry that is suspected of causing the intermittent complaint. Refer to Testing for Intermittent Conditions and Poor Connections in Wiring Systems.
If a repair is necessary, refer to Wiring Repairs or Connector Repairs in Wiring Systems.
Check out this guy's video on GM fuel pump electrical circuit diagnosis !

GM Fuel Pump Relay Testing

Apr 21, 2016 | Cars & Trucks

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Firing order coil pack 2000 ford explore 5-0


Firing Order is 1 3 7 2 6 5 4 8

JF: Integrated Ignition Coil On Plug Coil 1 Through 10 Failure

2000 PCED On Board Diagnostics II


SECTION 5: Pinpoint Tests




Procedure revision date: 01/31/2001










JF: Integrated Ignition Coil On Plug Coil 1 Through 10 Failure


? JF: Introduction




JF1 DETERMINE WHICH COIL IS NOT FIRING

    Note: Electronic ignition engine timing is entirely controlled by the PCM. Electronic ignition timing is NOT adjustable. Do not attempt to check base timing. You will receive false readings.

  • Determine which coil is not firing using information from Pinpoint Test JB or DTC and the table at the beginning of this pinpoint test.


  • Record cylinder, coil and PCM pin number from the table.


Have the cylinder number, coil driver and PCM pin number been recorded?







Yes


No






GO to JF2.


To obtain required information, GO to JF1 and REPEAT.




JF2 DTC P0351, P0356, P0357: CRANKSHAFT POSITION SENSOR FAILURE
Are any of the above listed DTCs present?







Yes


No






GO to JF3.


GO to JF4.




JF3 CHECK RESISTANCE OF CRANKSHAFT POSITION SENSOR


  • Measure resistance of crankshaft position sensor.


Is resistance between 290 and 390 ohms (for LS8 between 900 and 1300 ohms)?







Yes


No






GO to JF4.


REPLACE crankshaft position sensor. COMPLETE Misfire Monitor Repair Verification Drive Cycle (REFER to Section 2, Drive Cycles).




JF4 CHECK FUNCTIONALITY OF SUSPECT COIL DRIVER (CD) CIRCUIT


  • Disconnect suspect coil (determined from the table).


  • Connect incandescent test lamp between IGN START/RUN and suspect CD circuit (determined from the table) at the coil on plug harness connector.


  • Disable fuel pump by disconnecting inertia fuel shutoff switch.


  • Observe incandescent test lamp while cranking engine.


Is the test lamp blinking consistently?







Yes


No






KEY OFF. GO to JF5.


KEY OFF. GO to JF6.




JF5 CHECK FUNCTIONALITY OF SUSPECT COIL


  • Remove suspect coil (determined from the table) from spark plug.


  • Connect an air gap spark tester 303-D037 (D81P-6666-A) or equivalent to a suspect coil.


  • Reconnect suspect coil harness connector.


  • Observe spark tester while cranking engine.


Is the spark present?







Yes


No






KEY OFF. INSPECT spark plug, REPLACE if necessary. GO to Z1.


KEY OFF. REPLACE coil. INSPECT spark plug, REPLACE if necessary. COMPLETE Misfire Monitor Repair Verification Drive Cycle (REFER to Section 2, Drive Cycles).




JF6 CHECK IGN START/RUN VOLTAGE TO SUSPECT COIL


  • Key on, engine off.


  • Measure voltage between IGN START/RUN circuit at the coil on plug harness connector and ground.


Is voltage greater than 10.0 volts?







Yes


No






KEY OFF. GO toJF7.


KEY OFF. LS6 and LS8: GO to B5.

All others: IGN START/RUN circuit fault. CHECK condition of related fuses/fuse links. If OK, REPAIR open circuit. If fuse/fuse link is damaged, CHECK IGN START/RUN circuit for short to ground. REPAIR as necessary. COMPLETE Misfire Monitor Repair Verification Drive Cycle (REFER to Section 2, Drive Cycles).




JF7 CHECK SUSPECT CD CIRCUIT FOR OPEN IN HARNESS


  • Disconnect PCM.


  • Measure resistance of suspect CD circuit between PCM harness connector pin (determined from the table) and coil on plug harness connector.


Is resistance less than 5 ohms?







Yes


No






GO to JF8.


REPAIR open circuit. COMPLETE Misfire Monitor Repair Verification Drive Cycle (REFER to Section 2, Drive Cycles).




JF8 CHECK SUSPECT CD CIRCUIT FOR SHORT TO VPWR IN HARNESS


  • Key on, engine off.


  • Measure voltage between suspect CD circuit at the PCM harness connector (determined from the table) and ground.


Is voltage less than 1.0 volt?







Yes


No






KEY OFF. GO to JF9.


KEY OFF. REPAIR short circuit. COMPLETE Misfire Monitor Repair Verification Drive Cycle (REFER to Section 2, Drive Cycles).




JF9 CHECK SUSPECT CD CIRCUIT FOR SHORT TO GROUND IN HARNESS


  • Disconnect scan tool.


  • Measure resistance between suspect CD circuit at the PCM harness connector (determined from the table) and ground.


Is resistance greater than 10,000 ohms?







Yes


No






GO toJF10.


REPAIR short circuit. If symptom or DTC is still present, GO to JF11 to check for damaged coil, otherwise COMPLETE Misfire Monitor Repair Verification Drive Cycle (REFER to Section 2, Drive Cycles).




JF10 PERFORM INTERMITTENT TEST ON SUSPECT CD CIRCUIT HARNESS


  • Connect digital multimeter between suspect CD circuit at the PCM harness connector (determined from the table) and CD circuit at coil on plug harness connector.


  • Wiggle and bend CD harness from PCM harness connector to coil on plug harness connector.


Did resistance fluctuate during wiggle test?







Yes


No






REPAIR intermittent fault in harness. COMPLETE Misfire Monitor Repair Verification Drive Cycle (REFER to Section 2, Drive Cycles).


REPLACE PCM. (REFER to Section 2, Flash Electrically Erasable Programmable Read Only Memory (EEPROM)). If symptom or DTC is still present, GO to JF11 to check for damaged coil, otherwise COMPLETE Misfire Monitor Repair Verification Drive Cycle (REFER to Section 2, Drive Cycles).




JF11 CHECK SUSPECT COIL FOR DAMAGE


  • Remove suspect coil (determined from the table) from spark plug.


  • Connect an air gap spark tester 303-D037 (D81P-6666-A) or equivalent to a suspect coil.


  • Disable fuel pump by disconnecting inertia fuel shutoff switch.


  • Observe spark tester while cranking engine.


Is the spark present?







Yes


No






KEY OFF. INSPECT spark plug, REPLACE if necessary. GO to Z1.


KEY OFF. REPLACE coil. INSPECT spark plug, REPLACE if necessary. COMPLETE Misfire Monitor Repair Verification Drive Cycle (REFER to Section 2, Drive Cycles).

Feb 14, 2015 | 2000 Ford Explorer

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94 camaro wont start...no firefrom the coil has new icm , coil , fuel pump


Check the icm plug with a led testlight for pulse while the engine is cranking. Test the wire connector with the small wires going into the coil for pulse.The v8 has a opti-spark distributor behind the waterpump that is prone to failure. It has the pickup inside it that tells the icm when to spark. If no pulse at icm distributor is bad. If pulse at icm but not at coil, icm or wiring between icm and coil is bad.The coil also needs pos.+ power on 1 terminal to operate. Be SURE to check the security light on the dash. If VATS [vehicle anti theft system] fails its usually within the 2 wires going from the key chip in the ignition tumbler to the body control module. Mine were purple and tan.Trying to start it with the wrong key can put it in lockout mode also. There are bypass modules available online for vats problems or you can even install a resistor in the wire to bypass the keychip part and the door alarms still work.

Mar 27, 2014 | 1994 Chevrolet Camaro

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My 92 explorer has no spark


Hi, here are some tests you can do to diagnose the problem. Please let me know if you have questions.

First, use a voltmeter or 12 volt test light to check for power on the red wire going to pin 8 of the ignition control module when the key is on. The module is in the left front corner of the engine compartment.

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If there is no power, the problem is the ignition switch or EEC relay. If there is power, next, check the ignition coil as listed below.

IGNITION COIL TESTINGPrimary and Secondary Circuit Tests
  1. Turn the ignition switch OFF , disconnect the battery, then detach the wiring harness connector from the ignition coil to be tested.
  2. Check for dirt, corrosion or damage on the terminals.

PRIMARY RESISTANCE
  1. Use an ohmmeter to measure the resistance between the following terminals on the ignition coil, and note the resistance:

Except 2.3L, 2.5L and 5.0L engines


B+ to Coil 1 B+ to Coil 2 B+ to Coil 3
The resistance between all of these terminals should have been between 0.3-1.0 ohms. If the resistance was more or less than this value, the coil should be replaced with a new one.

SECONDARY RESISTANCE


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Fig. Fig. 1: Engine ignition coil harness connections-3.0L and 4.0L engines

  1. Measure, using the ohmmeter, and note the resistance between each corresponding coil terminal and the two spark plug wire towers on the ignition coil. The coil terminals and plug wires towers are grouped as follows:
Except 2.3L, 2.5L and 5.0L engines

Terminal 3 (coil 1)-spark plugs 1 and 5 Terminal 2 (coil 3)-spark plugs 2 and 6 Terminal 1 (coil 2)-spark plugs 3 and 4

If the coils test good, move on the the crankshaft sensor.
Using a DVOM set to the DC scale to monitor less than 5 volts, measure the voltage between the sensor Cylinder Identification (CID) terminal and ground by backprobing the sensor connector. If the connector cannot be backprobed, fabricate or purchase a test harness. The sensor is okay if the voltage reading varies more than 0.1 volt with the engine running at varying RPM. (check both the blue and gray wires at the ignition module with the engine cranking.)



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Fig. Fig. 3: CKP sensor wire harness connections for the 4.0L (VIN X and E) engines


If there is power and both the coils and sensor check good, replace the ignition control module.

Oct 27, 2011 | Cars & Trucks

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I have a 1991 honda accord I started it like I always do to let it warm up. It started right up like it always does. I went inside to let it warm up. I came outside and it wasn't runnung. I tried to start...


Please see my tip at http://www.fixya.com/cars/r6223989-ignition_coil_doesn_t_spark . These are generic instructions--specific instructions are pasted below from Autozone.com. If you get stuck, please get back to me.

Use a test light to check for power to the coil on the black wire with a yellow stripe--see procedure below and other tests you can run. You will need a volt-ohm meter to run most of these tests.

The system used on 1990-95 Accords and 1989-95 fuel injected Preludes uses the distributor components to signal the engine computer. The ECU triggers the spark through the igniter unit and coil. This spark timing is controlled by the computer as an integrated function of the fuel management system. The distributor contains a crankshaft angle sensor and a No. 1 Cylinder Top Dead Center (TDC) sensor. Using these and other electrical inputs, the computer controls spark timing electrically.

1990-91 ACCORD
See Figure 6

  1. Remove the distributor cap, rotor and shield.
  2. Label and disconnect the 4 wires from the igniter unit.
  3. Switch the ignition ON . Use a voltmeter to check for voltage between the black/yellow wire and ground. Battery voltage should be present. If the voltage is not present, check the black/yellow wire between the igniter and the ignition switch.
  4. Check for voltage between the white/blue wire and ground. Battery voltage should be present with the ignition ON . If voltage is not present, check the white/blue wire from the igniter to the coil and test the ignition coil.
  5. Turn the ignition OFF . Check for continuity in the yellow/green wire between the igniter and the ECU.

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Fig. Fig. 6: Terminal identification on 1990-91 Accords

  1. Check the blue wire for continuity between the tachometer and the igniter.
  2. Check the resistance between the terminals which connect to the blue and white/yellow wires. It should be between 1,100-3,300 ohms. If not, the igniter must be replaced.
Coil test:
1990-91 ACCORD

See Figure 16
  1. The ignition coil is contained within the distributor. With the ignition OFF , remove the distributor cap.
  2. Remove the screws securing the black/yellow wire and white/blue wires from the terminals. The black/yellow wire is connected to the primary positive terminal and the white/blue wire is connected to the primary negative terminal.
  3. Measure resistance between the terminals. Resistance should be between 0.6-0.8 ohms.
  4. Measure the resistance between the primary positive terminal and the secondary terminal. Resistance should be 12,800-19,200 ohms.
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Fig. Fig. 16: Coil terminal designation on 1990-91 Accords

  1. All test conditions must be met. If any test condition is not satisfied, the coil must be replaced.

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Dec 27, 2010 | 1991 Honda Accord

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What should a multimeter read on a continuity test on the coil packs? i'm getting 1.9,1.7,1.7


The multimeter can read the resistance and if it is not open or shorted out, I'd say that your readings are in the normal range, comparing each resistance with each other + or - 10%.

I looked up the resistance readings on my online resource, but they did not list it specifically.
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I looked up the following on autozone.com:

There are 3 dual-tower ignition coils that are part of the ignition control module (ICM). The ICM contains coil driver circuits that command the coils to operate. The Powertrain Control Module (PCM) controls each dual-tower ignition coil by transmitting timing pulses on the ignition coil control circuit to the ICM for the proper coil to enable a spark event.
  1. Inspect the spark plug wires for proper orientation.
  2. With the ignition OFF, remove the fuel pump relay.
  3. Crank the engine and test for a strong spark on each cylinder spark plug wire using a suitable spark plug tester. Ground the companion cylinder spark plug wire of each cylinder when it is tested.

    If a strong bright blue spark is present on all of the cylinders, remove and inspect all of the spark plugs for proper torque, proper gap, wear, damage, and fouling. Replace the spark plugs if necessary. If there is no spark on any of the cylinders, test the ignition voltage circuit of the Ignition Coil Module (ICM) for an open/high resistance or short to ground, or test the ground circuit of the ICM for an open/high resistance, or a faulty ICM. The wire circuit resistance should measure less than 3 ohms. If there is no spark on any of the cylinders, or spark is weak or intermittent, test the IC circuit for an open/high resistance, or a faulty ICM. The wire circuit resistance should measure less than 3 ohms. If spark is present on one or more of the cylinders, inspect and test the spark plug wires for arching, cuts, rubbing on other components, and proper resistance. If all tests are normal, then the system is operating correctly.
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Oct 08, 2010 | 2000 Chevrolet Venture

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My 94 ford mustang is a 3,8 v6. It will turn over but wont start. I have checked everything and Im getting power to the coil box but no spark to the plugs, what do you think is wrong?


You can start here;

ICM Test

See Figure 1
  1. Remove the ICM from the front fender apron.
  2. Measure the resistance between the ICM terminals as shown below:
    1. GID-PIP IN: should be greater than 500 ohms.
    2. PIP PWR-PIP IN: should be less than 2,000 ohms.
    3. PIP PWR-TFI PWR: should be less than 200 ohms.
    4. GND-IGN GND: should be less than 2 ohms.
    5. PIP IN-PIP: should be less than 200 ohms.

  3. If any of these checks failed, replace the ICM with a new one.

Sep 03, 2010 | 1994 Ford Mustang

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How do you remove the ignition coil


Each ignition control module (ICM) has the following circuits:
An ignition 1 voltage circuit A chassis ground An ignition control circuit for each cylinder A low reference circuit
The PCM controls spark by pulsing the ignition control circuits to the ICM to trigger the coils and fire the spark plugs. The PCM and ICM are internally protected against shorts to power and ground on the ignition control circuits.

The spark plugs are connected to each coil by a short boot. The boot contains a spring that conducts the spark energy from the coil to the spark plug. The spark plugs are tipped with platinum for long wear and higher efficiency.


Ignition Control Module (ICM) Connectors

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Fig. Ignition coil locations 2001-2004 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L Engines



Removal & Installation
2.2L (L61) Engine
  1. Turn OFF the ignition.
  2. Remove the accelerator cable from the bracket.
  3. Remove the accelerator cable bracket bolt.
  4. Remove the accelerator cable bracket.
  5. Disconnect the ignition control module (ICM) harness connector.
  6. Remove the ICM retaining screws.
  7. Remove the ICM from the ignition coil housing.

To install:
  1. Install the ignition control module in the ignition coil housing.
  2. Install the ICM retaining screws. Tighten the retaining screws.
  3. Connect the ICM harness connector.
  4. Install the accelerator cable bracket.
  5. Install the accelerator cable bracket bolt. Tighten the retaining screws.
  6. Install the accelerator cable to the bracket.

2.2L (Ln2) Engine
  1. Remove the air cleaner outlet from the air cleaner.
  2. Remove the ICM electrical connectors (1) and spark plug wires (2).
  3. Remove the ignition coils bolts (3).
  4. Remove the ignition coils and ICM assembly.
  5. Installation is the reverse of the removal procedure.

2.4L Engine
  1. Disconnect the negative battery cable.
  2. Remove the accelerator cable from the hold down clip.
  3. Remove the cruise control cable, if applicable.
  4. Remove the bolt from the fuel line retaining clip.
  5. Disconnect the 11-pin harness connector for the ignition control module (ICM).
  6. Remove the bolts from the ignition coil and the ICM assembly-to-camshaft housing.
  7. Remove the ignition coil and ICM assembly from the engine.
  8. Remove the screws that retain the housing to the cover.
  9. Disconnect the coil harness connector from the ICM.
    CAUTION When removing the housing from the cover, make sure the ground strap stays in place.
  10. Remove the housing from the cover.
  11. Remove the screws that retain the ICM to the cover.
  12. Remove the ICM from the cover.

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    Fig. Removing the ICM from the camshaft cover

To install:

CAUTION DO NOT wipe grease from the module or coil if the same module is to be replaced. If a new module is to be installed, a package of silicone grease will be included with the module. Spread the grease on the metal face of the module and on the cover where the module seats. This grease is necessary for module cooling.
  1. Install the ICM to the cover.
  2. Install the screws that retain the ICM to the cover.
  3. Install the ground strap, if necessary.
  4. Connect the ignition coils connector to the ICM.
    CAUTION When installing the housing to the cover, make sure the ground strap stays in place.
  5. Install the housing to the cover.
  6. Install the screws that retain the housing to the cover.
  7. Install the spark plug boots and the retainers to the housing, if necessary.
  8. Install the ICM assembly to the engine while carefully aligning the spark boots to the spark plug terminals.
    CAUTION The ICM cover bolts must be installed using isolator washers with the rubber side facing down.
  9. Install the bolts that retain the ICM assembly to the camshaft housing after coating the bolt threads with LOCTITE, or equivalent. Tighten the bolts to 16 ft. lbs. (22 Nm).
  10. Connect the ICM 11 pin harness connector.
  11. Install the bolt to the fuel line retainer clip.
  12. Install the accelerator cable into the hold down clip.
  13. Install the cruise control cable, if applicable. Connect the negative battery cable.

Hope this help (remember comment and rated this).

Apr 05, 2010 | 2000 Chevrolet Blazer

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