2002 Ford Explorer
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I just changed out my




By arltxishm on Oct 23, 2009

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I just changed out my instrument cluster over to one with a message center. However there are no pre-fabricated plugs waiting for me to hok the message center ctrl buttons into. My XLT is eqpt with 4x4 so that plug is already taken and is a different configuration anyway. I have the plug from the cluster I got it from. Wires are: blk, blk/red, lt.Grn, drk grn
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Oct 23, 2009

- I received a wiring list for most of the features for a 2001 exlporer and a 2002 F150 but nothing about the instrument panel and message ctrl buttons were listed. I have a black, red/black,drk grn, lt grn wires. I know the Red/black is for illumination and the black is ground, but I still need info on where to connect everything.

Oct 23, 2009

- I understand that there are no spare wiring modules to plug into, if I can at least get a wiring configuration of how to wire this up it would be much appreciated.

Oct 23, 2009

- Thank you for your response. How would a 2002 explorer that has 4x4 and the message center display be configured. There has to be a way or they would not put the space for another cluster would they? If I knew the pin lay outs with the color codes that would help.
Thanks

Oct 23, 2009

- I just changed out my instrument cluster over to one with a message center. However there are no pre-fabricated plugs waiting for me to hok the message center ctrl buttons into. My XLT is eqpt with 4x4 so that plug is already taken and is a different configuration anyway. I have the plug from the cluster I got it from. Wires are: blk, blk/red, lt.Grn, drk grn

Oct 24, 2009

- I just changed out my instrument cluster over to one with a message center. However there are no pre-fabricated plugs waiting for me to hok the message center ctrl buttons into. My XLT is eqpt with 4x4 so that plug is already taken and is a different configuration anyway. I have the plug from the cluster I got it from. Wires are: blk, blk/red, lt.Grn, drk grn

Oct 24, 2009

- Thanks, Yeah I checked with the dealership parts and service today and was told that I could do it but like you said would need to do some wiring since the plug was not there. I'm not too worried about doing the wiring, I just want to get the correct pin lay outs and color codes.

Oct 24, 2009

- I just changed out my instrument cluster over to one with a message center. However there are no pre-fabricated plugs waiting for me to hok the message center ctrl buttons into. My XLT is eqpt with 4x4 so that plug is already taken and is a different configuration anyway. I have the plug from the cluster I got it from. Wires are: blk, blk/red, lt.Grn, drk grn

Oct 24, 2009

- My vehicle is a 2002 Fod Explorer XLT 4x4, I obtained the parts from a 2002 Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer edition without 4x4.

Oct 24, 2009

- Totally appreciate that! Not sure of the build but I know there is no overhead interface, it is strictly to the instrument cluster in the dash. I believe I am supposed to utilize the 17 pin plug on the cluster using pins 14 & 15 but too sure on which is which.

Oct 24, 2009

- Ok, I think I have an early model 2002 as the door tag indicates 6/01.
Thanks for your persistence and patience with this, I will be happy to get it displaying correctly. On another note I just received the check transmission message with the O/D indicator flashing consistently along with a noticeable clunk when the drive shifts into 4th. I think this is called Murphys Law!

Oct 30, 2009

- Hey Fingazz, hope all is well.
Was wondering if you were able to find any more info for me on wiring up my message center ctrl buttons.
I had to take the explorer in to have the xmission solenoid replaced this week, good chunk of change for that one.
Your response is appreciated.
Thanks again

Steve

Oct 30, 2009

- No not yet, but have been working with someone to get this accomplished. Any new ideas?
Thanks

Oct 30, 2009

- ****, I appreciate your time time on this though. Hopefully I can figure something out. Dont want to go back to the old cluster as I can see the display on it. This one works just cant ctrl the message center.
Thanks again, let me know if you think of something and I will do the same.

Steve

Oct 30, 2009

- What is it that makes this so impossible? What is the difference in the connections between a cluster that incorporates 4x4 in the display and one that supports both 4x4 and message center? I'm not trying to be a smart *** or anything but I would really like to know. Could you tell me this?

Thanks

Oct 31, 2009

- fingaz22 was extremely helpful and knowledgeable. Especially with his persistence in determining the solution to the problem. Would recommend 10 times over. Two thumbs up!!

Nov 06, 2009

- I was able to solve this problem. Just had to connect the light and dark green wires from the switch to right interface plug at pins 15 and 16, tie in the black/red wire for the illumination and ground the black wire to the chasis. Everything works like it's supposed to. Thanks to everyone for your support and remember nothing is impossible if you set your mind to it.

Take care

Best Solution

posted on Oct 24, 2009
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fingaz22

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what year make and model is the truck you have and what year make and model did the cluster come out of?
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Oct 24, 2009

- okay the blk is ground the blk/red is instrument illumination input , the dk grn is message center switch to cluster and the lt. grn is also message center switch to cluster. so the blk gets ground to chassis the blk/red get power from illumination circuit and the two green wires dk and lt. will go to the over head console. not sure what you have because there is an early build and a late build but the cluster is from an early build because of the color of those wires. now i need to know if you have that earlt or late. before or after 03/2002 and if they are both early build the colors will be the same if not the colors are different on the other end.

Oct 24, 2009

- yea i looked at the schematic and there is no way to tell until i know the build date. you can get it of the door tag. let me know and i will research it for you and get the it working,

Oct 24, 2009

- okay leaving the shop in a little while let me get home and do some research to see if we can get this done.

Oct 30, 2009

- yea from what i can see it is not going to be possible without it coming factory. the harness and bcm is different so without change a buch of stuff including the harness itself you might not be able to do it. sorry for the bad news and i hope you find a way.

Oct 31, 2009

- well what i have found in the alldata program i have for the shop is it is a data transfer from the body control module(bcm) and the cluster. and there reason you didn't have the other connector is because that option to transfer the data from bcm to cluster was not in that bcm and everything first goes through the bcm to manulate the data into something the cluster can use.

now this is all from alldata and they get all there info straight from the dealer and all the schematic's are dealer schematic's so this is what i base my opinion on. not i specailize in electical and know this could be done... but how far are you willing to go and how are your skills with electical? this may require thing like reprogramming the bcm and is something me nor you can do and only the dealer can and they wouldn't even be bother with this stuff because of liabilty.

now what you have in your truck and not have i don't know exactly because that was unclear because of the build date's and that there are two totaly different systems and get's confusing because i don't have in front of me. this is why i said i had to bow out of this one because i don't feel we could get this done over an email based forum. now if i was allowed to ask for your # or call you then i may have said or felt totaly different. there is just so much man and i really wish i could of helped you and still do. i love stuff like this exspecaily when i haven't done this i want to know what it takes to do it. because i will have that knoldge under my belt. not that this is something i would do a number of times but even once it would be worth me to figure out. i really did my best with what you could tell me and what i can see in alldata. but again because of two systems and two build dates stuff will get confusing and things good be damaged and cost alot of money to fix.

if you still want to try go to the truck you got the cluster out of and compare it and the bcm to your truck along with the harness and see the differences. that is were i would start. the plugs and harness and build dates are very important.

one more thing i take pride in my feedback (thumbs up) and i understan i couldn't help but i gave it a good amount of time and a good try with the info i had so if you could reconsider that. that would be great.

good luck man

Oct 31, 2009

- thanks man and i wish it could be simpler.

Solution #2

posted on Oct 23, 2009
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emissionwiz

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If your truck didn't come with this option then the wiring wiill not be there for this different option cluster sorry, that is the fact of it, there is no way you can hook this up.
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Oct 23, 2009

- I'am a 25 year veteran Ford dealer tech and am confident of this info. Good luck on this.

Oct 30, 2009

- you never got this wired up did you?

Oct 30, 2009

- give it up, u can't do this short of an entire new wiring harness.

Nov 06, 2009

- I DON'T THINK U WILL FIND THE SOLUTION YOU CHOOSE WILL WORK, GOOD LUCK HERE.

Solution #3

posted on Oct 24, 2009
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matney68

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Fords are not my specialty but I do not believe you are able to do this.It would be one thing if this was an option that your truck just did not come with but the plugs were there. You should be able to use the VIN and contact a local ford dealership with this and they tell you if this is possible.I dont think you can without alot of modifications in wiring and possibly a couple of modules. Ford dealership and vin is the way to go.

Solution #4

posted on Oct 24, 2009
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rejakwilson

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Your VEHICLE must be the APPLICATION that ACOMIDATES THAT PITICULAR Instrument Cluster, The Wiring HARNESS MUTS BE the SAME or it WILL NOT Function Properly,

Solution #5

posted on Oct 23, 2009
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ZJLimited

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I thing that this work for you, review it: Ford Explorer Wire

Hope helped.
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Oct 24, 2009

- According to my Haynes repair manual 2001 and later models have a separate control module just for the 4X4 system that is located behind the right front passenger kick panel.

Replacement of the 4WD control module does not require programming using the Ford scan tool on this vehicle. Vehicles built after 03/04/2002 with the 11th digit of the VIN being (U) or vehicles built after 03/11/2002 with the 11th digit of the VIN being (Z) require a different module than those built before these dates. The modules are not interchangeable though the harness connectors will plug into either of the modules. The modules have different internal designs. The 4WD shift module is located forward of the glove box, under the passenger side of the dash.

1. Check the resistance of the magnetic clutch coil at the transfer case measuring between terminal 16 and terminal 11 of the shift motor connection. Terminal 16 connects to a Brown (BN) wire on the harness and terminal 11 connects to a Brown/Yellow (BN/YE) wire on the harness. Resistance should indicate a reading of 2.5-3.0 ohms.

2. Use a scanner to try and command the 4WD clutch on. If this is possible, monitor the voltage on the BN wire while increasing the command on the clutch. If there is low or no voltage to the clutch no matter what the command, check the powers and grounds to the module.

3. The Four Wheel Drive (4WD) module is located behind the glove box area.

A. C281a pin 1 Black/White (BK/WH) and pin 2 White (WH) should be battery voltage at all times.
B. Pin 9 Violet/Orange (VT/OG) should be battery voltage with the key on.
C. Pin 10 Orange (OG) should be battery voltage with the key in the crank position only.
D. C281b pin 16 Grey/Yellow (GY/YE) should be battery voltage with the key in the run position.

3. The grounds are C281a pin 7 Black (BK) and C281b pin 2 Black/Light Blue (BK/LB).

4. If the powers and grounds are OK, replace the 4WD module. Be sure to get the correct module, the early and late build modules will plug in but are not interchangeable.
The powers and grounds have to be checked or rechecked at the pins that I specified , to find the problem with the system. Usually when the problem is not the module it is the clutch coils or the module's circuits or a connection. Checking the pin outs would eliminate this and must be done!
There are 2 other things to check that would be tire stagger if there are worn or different size or diameter tires on the vehicle it will cause certain problems , but I don't think it will result in just a flashing light usually there is a drag felt when driving.

The other thing is a bad ground at the transfer case. Ford uses a copper gasket between the transmission and transfer case the purpose of this is to facilitate the ground to the transfer case if the gasket was replaced (with a paper one) or heavily siliconed the ground could be insufficient.

Good luck.

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