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Van wont start when key is turned

Dealer said it was pcm changed out and still wont start changed front control module & cam sensor still nothing. not getting power to starter can jump across relay and starter turns but van does not run.

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Sometimes when one replaces the ignition a small plastic part falls from the new ignition causing it not to fully engage-for fun turn key with a liitle firmness all the way to sart-sometimes with added pressure it engages-orthewise remove ignition for examination

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Codes: N/A



Problem 1 of 6: The 5v power supply from the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) is shorted due to a shorted Crankshaft Position (CKP) Sensor.



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Test & Fix: If the 5v power supply circuit is shorted to ground, the CCD bus is unable to transmit messages and the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) appears to be "dead". The PCM is not damaged when the 5v power supply gets shorted to ground, but does need to be reset by turning the key off for 10 second after the short is removed. Using a DVOM or labscope, measure the voltage on the 5v reference wire at the Throttle Position Sensor (TPS) or Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) Sensor. If 5v is not present, unplug the Camshaft Position (CMP) Sensor. Turn the key off for 10 seconds. Turn the key on and measure the voltage on the 5v power supply circuit. If the voltage is now 5v, replace the CMP sensor.



Problem 3 of 6: The 5v power supply from the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) is shorted due to a shorted Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) Sensor.



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