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02merc mountaineer stalled while driving ive checked relays fuses pcm dtr wiring and starter and solenoid will not crank or fire {pat} also, all check ok new bat every thing else functions

Not sure if ignition swith or tumblers the cause need help

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PATS uses a visual theft indicator. This indicator will prove out for three seconds when the ignition switch is turned to RUN or START under normal operation. If there is a PATS problem, this indicator will either flash rapidly or glow steadily when the ignition switch is turned to RUN or START. PATS also "blips" the theft indicator every two seconds at ignition OFF to act as a visual theft deterrent.

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  • Jeff Armer Dec 19, 2016

    Sounds like you should take it to a qualified repair shop .

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    teddy graves Dec 20, 2016

    found the issue had a blown fuse on an o2 sensor that also powered the pcm which in turn left the dtr ungrounded as the pcm grounds the dtr so communication from one to the other failed no power no spark stall the fuse was blown from the o2 sensor grounded on the exhaust causing a melted fitting and short repaired by an persistant okie in his yard in freezing weather never say die

  • Jeff Armer Dec 20, 2016

    Yea, that would do it for sure ! Hooking up a scan tool would have lead right there no communication with PCM , check power and grounds found the problem in two shakes of a lambs tail /

  • Jeff Armer Dec 20, 2016

    Instead of hunt an hope diagnostics

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