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Awd merc 02 stalled in gear wont crank or fire starter pcm dtr and relays all ok transponder in keys ok ignition relay ok think ignition switch problem ? bench tested starter new bat no burned wires

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    teddy graves Dec 19, 2016

    this is a condensed version of my problem

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    teddy graves Dec 19, 2016

    all fuses checked no obd codes impression is pcm thinks its in gear PATS is not the issue

  • teddy graves
    teddy graves Dec 19, 2016

    does this have a fuseable link on a fender wall and where is the transceiver located

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Awd merc 02 ????? Mercury what ? Transmission range switch is input to the PCM . If the PCM thinks it's in gear I would look at this part . Read input data from range switch to PCM on a scan tool that can do that . Transceiver for Pats is around the ignition lock cylinder behind plastic cover ,

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Could be a number of thing's , can you do automotive electrical testing ? Do you know if starting is PCM / ECM controlled or BCM controlled ? Do you know what these are ? BCM - body control module , PCM/ECM - engine computer !
Moving the ignition switch to the START position sends a 12-volt signal to the engine control module (ECM)/powertrain control module (PCM) Crank Request circuit. The ECM/PCM verifies that the transmission is in the PARK or NEUTRAL position. With the transmission in Park, voltage flows through the Park/Neutral position switch and feeds the starter relay coil. The PCM then grounds the control circuit of the starter relay. When the starter relay is energized it allows battery positive voltage to the starter solenoid S terminal. On some vehicles the starter will continue to crank the engine with the key released until it starts or the crank command has timed out to prevent excessive heat build up in the starter circuitry or the ECM/PCM receives an engine run flag.
Circuit Description (BCM Controlled)
Moving the ignition to the START position signals the body control module (BCM) that engine crank has been requested. The BCM verifies that theft is not active and sends a serial data message to the powertrain control module (PCM) requesting engine start. The BCM also energizes the RUN/CRANK RELAY. When the RUN/CRANK RELAY switch side closes, and the vehicle is in Park or Neutral or with the clutch is fully depressed, if equipped, supplies voltage to the starter relay coil. The PCM verifies the transmission is in Park or Neutral and the clutch is fully depressed, if equipped. The PCM will then ground the control circuit of the starter relay, closing the switch supplying voltage to the starter solenoid. On some vehicles the starter will continue to crank the engine with the key released until it starts of the crank command has timed out to prevent excessive heat build up in the starter circuitry or the PCM receives an engine run flag.
Do you know what a park neutral safety switch is ? What do you mean key stuck in ignition ? Can't turn the key to off position , or you can an the key will not come out ?
Your best bet , take it to a qualified repair shop .

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Maybe not be a key problem , is the security light lit when trying to start the vehicle ? Why did you replace the ignition ? Ignition switch ? Who programmed the key ?
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If you want help you need to explain a little better . When you turn the key to start , the starter doesn't engage , correct ? On top of the instrument pane is there a little red light flashing when you try starting the vehicle ? Need to know model so I can look at wiring diagram .

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Could you brake down your long paragraph ? Not sure what you have checked and what you need to check.

Please add more detail information as to your problem, what have you done as diagnosis, if any at all.

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I have 2006 dodge charger Rt. I brought new battery an starter an have alternator rebuilt an my car still wont crank


There should be power o the small terminal of the stater anytime the key is in the crank position. I would start with checking that. If there is no power you will need to trace that circuit back.

That wire gets power from the starter relay and the relay gets power from fuse 20 in the TIPM (underhood fuse box). The starter relay control side starts at the ignition switch. The pink with dark green wire should have power with the key in the crank position. That power goes to fuse #10 in the TIPM. it then goes to the starter relay. the starter relay is grounded by the PCM.

Give that a whirl.

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One is under the hood in the engine compartment an Rear Fuse Block
Left rear of the passenger compartment, under the rear seat ! There are a couple of fuse's , but they power up the ignition an the PCM ,so you can't pull those ! Beside that if the PCM does not get a fuel enable signal from the anti-theft module the vehicle won't start . You can't just disable thing's on this vehicle ! If you have security light on steady or flashing you need to take it to someone who has a diagnostic scan tool that can check DTC'S - diagnostic trouble codes ! A code reader can not access these type codes !
Vehicle Theft Deterrent (VTD)Circuit Description
(VTD) Theft Deterrent System Components
Ignition Key (Transponder) The ignition key for the (VTD) theft deterrent system is a typical ignition key with a transponder pellet located in the plastic end of the key. The ignition key transponder value is used to determine if a valid ignition key is being used to start the vehicle, there are approximately three trillion different transponder values available. This vehicle has two types of ignition keys.
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Master key (black plastic end) which can start the vehicle and lock/unlock all door locks, all storage compartments and the rear compartment lid lock.


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Valet key (gray plastic end) which can start the vehicle and unlock/lock all doors, but can not unlock/lock the storage compartments, or rear compartment lid lock.

Important: The transponder values are not readable and can not be serviced separately.
Theft Deterrent Module The theft deterrent module contains the software for controlling the VTD System. The theft deterrent module uses the following inputs and outputs to control the VTD system.
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Battery voltage from the underhood fuse block PCM/BATT fuse, circuit 240 (ORN).


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Ignition start voltage from the ignition switch, circuit 1390 (WHT).


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Ground, circuit 450 (BLK).
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Ok it seems you isolated and checked the usual suspects and some that I wouldn't have looked at except one. Did you check the neutral safety switch and Alignment on your gears for the gearshift lever. If it is not aligned properly it may not be hitting the neutral safety switch when in neutral and park. Also if the switch has failed. It may not be allowing your system to start when you move the key to the start position. I'm also wondering if this model has a fusable link in the starter cable but you say that you've isolated and tested both the starter and the relay. So I would really suspect that neutral safety switch. Hope this helps.

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I want to see if i catch your drift ! When you turn the key in the ignition switch to start , nothing happens ? Have you tried moving the gear slector to the neutral position to see if it starts then ? Park neutral safety switch problem , maybe .
Here is a description of how it works or how it's suppose to work .
Circuit Description (ECM/PCM Controlled)
Moving the ignition switch to the START position sends a 12-volt signal to the engine control module (ECM)/powertrain control module (PCM) Crank Request circuit. The ECM/PCM verifies that the transmission is in the PARK or NEUTRAL position. With the transmission in Park, voltage flows through the Park/Neutral position switch and feeds the starter relay coil. The PCM then grounds the control circuit of the starter relay. When the starter relay is energized it allows battery positive voltage to the starter solenoid S terminal. On some vehicles the starter will continue to crank the engine with the key released until it starts or the crank command has timed out to prevent excessive heat build up in the starter circuitry or the ECM/PCM receives an engine run flag.
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The key is chiped , does it have a padlock an car symbol light on the instrument cluster when you turn the key on ? Do the headlamps work ? shine bright ? Do you have a volt meter ? Check battery voltage . Go to http://www.bbbind.com/free_tsb.html free wiring diagrams . Enter vehicle info. year , make , model an engine size . Under system click on electrical distribution , under subsystem click on power distribution . Check power at the crank relay , plus you need to know what happens when you turn that key to start . Computers involved .Do you know about relays ?

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A scan tool of professional type would be a good tool to have to diagnose this .

The vehicle theft deterrent (VTD) system functions are provided by the theft deterrent module (TDM). When an ignition key is inserted into the ignition lock cylinder and the ignition is switched ON, the transponder embedded in the head of the key is energized by the exciter coils surrounding the ignition lock cylinder. The energized transponder transmits a signal that contains its unique value, which is received by the TDM. The TDM then compares this value to a value stored in memory. This is the learned key code. If the value is correct, the TDM sends a random generated number to the transponder. This is called a challenge. Both the transponder and the TDM module perform a calculation on the challenge. If the calculations match, the TDM sends the start enable message via the serial data circuit to the engine control module (ECM). If either the transponders unique value or the calculation to the challenge is incorrect, the TDM will send the start disable message to the ECM via the serial data circuit. The components of the VTD system are as follows:
• TDM
• ECM
• Ignition key (Transponder)
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Is the light on . when trying to start the vehicle ?

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