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Lynn Coleman Posted on Jun 02, 2016
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Road with a new fuel pump installed also new filter & relay pump cranks 65 psi pressure drops and quits, maybe if you crank long enough it might start, could this be fuel pressure regulator ?

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    Marvin Jun 02, 2016

    Hi Lynn Coleman
    What is the make, model, year and engine type.

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What Make vehicle ? fuel pressure regulator could be part of fuel pump module . A lot of vehicles have electronic return less fuel systems an have a fuel pump driver module ,an is controlled by the PCM .

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no enigine told gas or diesel.
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if it cranks at 65 psi the problem will not be in the regulator as the pump is producing enough fuel to exceed what the injectors need
What is happening is that the pump is not capable of delivering enough fuel to maintain that pressure when running so look for venting problems , hoses collapsing internally or blockage in the tank pick up
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going backwards, ? (yes, i to check volts first) but...
you check fuel pressure cranking, (is press in spec or not?)
the FSM covers this, 1/.2 the cars only get pump activation,,
cranking and running, never just key on (the fsm shows this fact, i didnt look for you)
Yours is older loop system, not dead head.
there are 5 test just for the pump, (actually more)
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in loop systems the cranking pressure is about 10 PSI more.
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Voltage checks, (any voltmeter)
use a voltmeter to see if full power reaches the pump.
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the connector over here to pump is all corroded. ,,
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regulator at the fuel rail, its stuck wide open because the shunt test
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my reg was bad.
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2: scope test or use a current probe on pump and see it spiking
like made, , it has bad commutator and will die so.

there great videos on all this at. Duane's site.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fuel%20pump&sm=3

check the pump cranking

do not hot wire the fuel pump relay
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if you feel compelled to hot wire things, disconnect the pump
and hot wire that.
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lets say you see 3v out, that can be a shorted pump. or wire grounded out to pump. I check the current with my amp clamp and see 15amps
the pump is bad. most draw 4-6amps. normal.
i keep an open mind, what is bad, its only the pump 1/2 the time
or less. maybe 1/3? (reg, pump, wires and friends)
corroded connectors big time...some even burned up.





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Was the problem there before you replaced the pump ?
The one way valve in the pump could be letting fuel pressure drop to zero. The fuel pump relay may be faulty too.
Have you checked the fuel pressure before and after cranking the engine ?
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Check The Fuel Filter And Your Fuel Pump Its The Problem %99 Of The Time.
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Changing fuel filter

From what your describing this sounds like you have a bad fuel pump and should be easy enough to verify.Install a fuel pressure gage on the fuel rail. Cycle key on and check for a minimum of 50 PSI. Start engine and verify fuel pressure maintains at least 50 PSI during symptom.

If pressure drops, lower fuel tank to check for B+ on the Pink/Black (PK/BK) and good ground on the Black (BK) while fuel pump relay is energized. If OK, replace faulty fuel pump.
Fuel pressure should run between 50-65 PSI. Fuel pumps are a common failure item on this vehicle especialy during warmer weather.


lower the tank to get to your filter
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