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Having loud valve tick on 3rd cylinder compression test showed it was weak. took valve cover off and checked everything with feeler gauge to find

Exhaust valves loose on 3rd cylinder. I don't know how to proceed from here.

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If it is down on compression it will be valve seats or rings. Remove exhaust manifold and spark plug.
Pressurize the cylinder with air and listen for air leaking at exhaust port. Valve stem seals only stop oil from draining down past the guides.

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If you know how valves are installed in a head, then you know there is one traditional way to repair problem -- pull the head off.
The other is to replaced the seals and keepers while holding the valve up against the valve seat from the valve stem. Mess up and you pull the head to finish the repair. For someone who has not done engine work - take the car to the shop OR pull the head and take it in, Normally if there are 2 heads you do both at the same time, because repairing one side makes it stronger than the other and the can bring on other problems.

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Testimonial: "is there a way to tell for sure its the seals and keepers and not the valve seat or something else? pulling just the exhaust cam out to check a terrible idea?"

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  • Charles Tucker Apr 04, 2015

    bad seals usually allow oil into cylinders and you see it as burned oil out the exhaust. Keepers, the valve stems can wiggle when not under load. Valve seats will result in lower compression upon testing.

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    Mike Clark Apr 04, 2015

    it does not burn oil. tested compression and the cylinder that the noise is coming from tested low. also puled valve cover off and checked valve clearance. found 3rd to have more clearance on exhaust valves then all others how it was still within spec between .2 and .3mm cold.

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    Mike Clark Apr 04, 2015

    could that be my noise and loss of compresion? the valve seat then?

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RTM , the compression test is in the included manual. in a nut shell.
a warm or hot engine, is best,
1: have a charged battery, (spins faster)
2: all spark plugs removed. (same spins fast)
3: if smart , defeat fuel or spark (pull fuel pump relay or fuse to fuel pump. (spark and flying fuel can be a serious safety issue. )
Wear PPE (google PPE if alien to you)
4: attached screw-in gauge, hose end to spark hole.
5: block open the throttle, (engine must breath or compression fails)
we call this WOT> , wide open throttle.
6: crank until the gauge peaks. most will do 170psi easy.
repeat on each cylinder, write down the results (dry test)
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MY 1996 MAZDA ETUDE 1600 HAVE 1 AND 2 SPAREPLUGS DEAD IS ONLY RUNNING ON 2 SILINDERS. I TEST THE PLUGS THERE IS NO COMPRESSION AND I FLASH MY INJECTORS WITH INJECTOR FLUID BUT THE 2 MUST BE BLOCKED, IT...


If the model that you have is OHC with cam working directly onto valves via lifters and you have nil compression in these two cylinders then remove the valve cover and turn over until the camshaft lobes for each cylinder in turn are pointing up,slide a feeler gauge under the heel of the cam lobe between it and the tappet,should only be .1-.3mm,especially if a hydraulic lifter(cam follower).If the gap is large the valve are bent.Similar way to test if the head has rocker arms,but essentially when the valve is closed ther should be only the slightest hint of clearance between rocker arm and valve tip.
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Depends on which engine you have. If you have


ADJUSTMENT Although it is sometimes possible to reuse an old cylinder head cover gasket, in most cases it makes more sense to purchase a new one before beginning the procedure. Some vehicles may require the use of silicone sealant either with or without a new cover gasket. For more details, please refer to the cylinder head cover procedures in Engine & Engine Overhaul of this repair guide and refer to the gasket manufacturer's instructions.

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See Figures 1, 2 and 3
For the intake valves: 1-4-5-8 valve clearance is 0.012 in. (0.30mm). For the exhaust valves: 2-3-6-7 valve clearance is 0.012 in. (0.30mm). The pivot locknut torque specification is 12-16 ft. lbs. (16-22 Nm).

  1. The valves must be adjusted with the engine warm, so start the truck and run the engine until the needle on the temperature gauge reaches the middle setting. After the engine is warm, shut it off.
  2. Note the location of any wires and hoses which may interfere with cylinder head cover removal, disconnect them and move them to one side. Remove the bolts holding the cylinder head cover in place and remove the cover. Remember, the engine will be hot, so be careful!

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Fig. Fig. 1: Check the valve clearance with a flat feeler gauge-Z24i engine





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Fig. Fig. 2: Loosen the locknut and turn the adjusting screw to adjust the valve clearance-Z24i engine


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Fig. Fig. 3: With the No. 1 piston at TDC, adjust the top set of valves FIRST; with the No. 4 piston at TDC, adjust the bottom set of valves SECOND-Z24i engine

  1. Rotate the crankshaft until the timing marks indicate that the No. 1 piston is at TDC of the compression stroke. If you're not sure of which stroke you're on, remove the No. 1 spark plug and hold your thumb over the hole. Pressure will be felt as the piston starts up on the compression stroke.
  2. Refer to the accompanying illustration (upper part), then check valves (1), (2), (4) and (6) using a flat bladed feeler gauge. The feeler gauge should pass between the valve stem end and the rocker arm screw with a very slight drag. Insert the feeler gauge straight, not at an angle.
  3. If the clearance is not within the specified value, loosen the rocker arm lock nut and turn the rocker arm screw to obtain the proper clearance. After correct clearance is obtained, tighten the locknut.
  4. Rotate the crankshaft until the timing marks indicate that the No. 4 piston is at TDC of the compression stroke. If you're not sure of which stroke you're on, remove the No. 4 spark plug and hold your thumb over the hole. Pressure will be felt as the piston starts up on the compression stroke.
  5. See the illustration (lower part), then check valves (3), (5), (7) and (8). Check and adjust valve clearance as necessary.
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See Figures 4 and 5
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HYDRAULIC LIFTER BLEED DOWN
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  4. Install the cylinder head cover.
  5. If there was air in the lifters, bleed the air by running the engine at 1000 rpm for 10 minutes.


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Fig. Fig. 4: Cross-sectional view of an installed hydraulic valve lifter-4 cylinder engine


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Fig. Fig. 5: Cross-sectional view of an installed hydraulic valve lifter-6 cylinder engine

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lash:

Intake, 0.007-0.009 in (0.18-0.22mm).

Exhaust, 0.009-0.011 in. (0.23-0.27mm)

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NOTE Adjust valves only when the cylinder head temperature is less than 100 degrees F.

  1. Before servicing the vehicle, refer to the precautions in the beginning of this section. Disconnect the negative battery cable.
  2. Note the radio security code and the radio presets.
  3. Remove the ignition coil cover. Remove the ignition coils. Remove the throttle cable clamps and harness holder from the cylinder head cover.
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  9. Using the proper gauge feeler gauge, adjust the valves on cylinder number three.
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  11. Using the proper gauge feeler gauge, adjust the valves on cylinder number four.
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An engine in great condition should generally show only 5 to 10% leakage. An engine that's still in pretty good condition may show up to 20% leakage. But more than 30% leakage indicates trouble.
The neat thing about a leakage test (as opposed to a compression test) is that it's faster and easier to figure out where the pressure is going. If you hear air coming out of the tailpipe, it indicates a leaky exhaust valve. Air coming out of the throttle body or carburetor would point to a leaky intake valve. Air coming out of the breather vent or PCV valve fitting would tell you the rings and/or cylinders are worn.
A leakage test can also be used in conjunction with a compression test to diagnose other kinds of problems.
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There can be several causes for low compression.
Chck the obvious first. the spark plugs must be checked that they are all in good condition. not burnt, the gap must be good( for your engine).Check the wires and coil so that good spark is obtained. Blue spark , not weak yellow spark. After everything is good. Check the cylinders to see if they have compression. To test the cylinders do the procedures shown below.

If the cylinder shows little leakdown or holds good compression when a little oil is squirted into the cylinder (wet compression test), it would tell you that the engine needs new valve guide seals and/or guide work. Most late model import engines have positive valve guide seals. Often, the guides are fine, but the seals are worn or cracked. The seals can be replaced on some engines without too much effort and without having to remove the head.

compression test will help you determine if the oil is getting past the valve guides or the rings. If the cylinder shows little leakdown or holds good compression when a little oil is squirted into the cylinder (wet compression test), it would tell you that the engine needs new valve guide seals and/or guide work. Most late model import engines have positive valve guide seals. Often, the guides are fine, but the seals are worn or cracked. The seals can be replaced on some engines without too much effort and without having to remove the head.

finally if the rings on one or more of the pistons can caus compression leak. It must be located and fixed.

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How to Test Engine CompressionAn engine depends on an equal compression reading in each cylinder to run smoothly. If poor compression exits in one or more cylinders it can cause a rough idle condition and low power. A compression test can be performed to check wear or internal damage. To start a engine compression test gauge is needed. There are two types of gauge styles, one threads into the spark plug hole which is more accurate. The other style of gauge is constructed with a rubber plug that is meant to be pressed against the spark plug hole, this style of gauge is difficult to use. To perform a engine cylinder compression test follow the steps below.
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  • Test ignition system to ensure that the power to the system has been disabled
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Engine Cylinder Compression Gauge
  • After the compression gauge has been inserted, use the starter to crank the engine over for about five seconds. Use about the same five seconds to test the remaining cylinders.
  • Record the compression reading as each cylinder is tested
  • Remove the compression gauge and reinsert the spark plug
  • Follow this procedure until all cylinders have been tested
  • Compare cylinders compression reading, all readings should be within about 5% of each other
If low compression exists a cylinder malfunction exits and further inspection is required. Possible causes for a low compression condition are: burned intake or exhaust valve, broken piston or piston ring, broken valve spring or a blown head gasket.

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